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monkers

Squire
Because they were too dangerous to be allowed near women. It hardly supports your argument.

The case of BK is very problematic indeed. From what Classic tells us, and he generally is an excellent digger of facts, that allegations were made from which she has been acquitted.

On the one hand by reputation she is dangerous. On the other hand one source suggests that she is due for release in June, although it appears that our friend Classic has fresher information.

It has never been the case that I think BK should be housed in Limerick prison with other women. Neither have I ever suggested that this should be the case. Therefore your claim that I have supported that in argument is (as usual for you) entirely bogus.

There is a question in the begging ... would you prefer for BK to be kept in solitary isolation in a remote wing of Limerick prison, or back out on the streets?
 

monkers

Squire
One prison with separate male and female parts. It is not, and never has been, a mixed sex prison. A women's prison is not improved by the addition of men.

HMP Peterborough is a mixed sex prison in as much as that it house male and female prisoners in separate wings. HMP Grampian in Scotland likewise.

Scotland has something like 6000 prisoners in total. Something like 500 are held at HMP Grampian.
 

monkers

Squire
You've used language like this throughout the debate. Many transactivists have. It hasn't shut anybody up yet.

I haven't asked you to shut up though I do have a habit of saying 'sit down' just as a teacher would to a disruptive child.

I don't want you to shut up. I want you to stop making false assumptions, false attributions, false interpretations of data, and the many other false claims. You falsely claim that you are polite. Politeness is not indicated by the lack of sweary words. Politeness is indicated where the respect is mutual. I don't routinely tell lies about you, this politeness is not reciprocated, and in fact it never is.

Calling a person a lying c*unt is last resort. I did not use it early on, there is a line of progression of me being polite, to being slightly impolite to the point of where we are today. You'd think that it might shake a person into some self-realisation. Though absolutists like you do seem immune, and there are deep-seated psychological reasons for that.
 
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monkers

Squire
Do you have the receipts for that claim being said on here? I don't recall it and 'shroud waver' doesn't appear when searched for. I certainly haven't said it. I look forward to the evidence that I said it so we can all be as appalled and absolutely disgusted as you are.
Page and post number.

The originator wasn't you and not in this place. While you may not have said the actual phrase, your comments about the suicides of young trans people has been shocking to read with their dismissive tone, and the refusal to recognise actual coroners' reports.

The originator of the phrase, and has routinely been used to target Dr Litman by many GCs was Cass. In fact I have seen sm stuff today from GCs repeating those words in replies to her sensible posts - post telling her to shut the fark up and stop shroud waving. Hence my reference to ''your troop''.
 

monkers

Squire
The next wave of the gender critical attack begins. Feminists indeed! As I've been saying this is an ultra-right wing endeavour.

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Fascism is engaged.

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There is a question in the begging ... would you prefer for BK to be kept in solitary isolation in a remote wing of Limerick prison, or back out on the streets?

As I've said previously BK should be in a men's secure unit where there is treatment for whatever mental illness BK clearly has. If that isn't an alternative then in a men's prison.

HMP Peterborough is a mixed sex prison in as much as that it house male and female prisoners in separate wings. HMP Grampian in Scotland likewise.
That isn't a mixed sex prison then so why pretend it is? They are housed separately. It's literally there on their website - 'separate at all times'.
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The originator wasn't you and not in this place. While you may not have said the actual phrase, your comments about the suicides of young trans people has been shocking to read with their dismissive tone, and the refusal to recognise actual coroners' reports.

I believe the words of the UK government's suicide lead, Prof Louis Appleby, when he says there have been no increases in suicides since puberty blockers were banned. I take his expert opinion over your histrionics and unevidenced claims any day. We are a year on since the ban and his findings look to remain correct.

The originator of the phrase, and has routinely been used to target Dr Litman by many GCs was Cass. In fact I have seen sm stuff today from GCs repeating those words in replies to her sensible posts - post telling her to shut the fark up and stop shroud waving. Hence my reference to ''your troop''.
So nothing to do with me then.

Here's Cass's quote from The Times. Easy enough to Google it.

"Cass told The Times, “What is worrying is when people say that if children don’t get these drugs, they will die, because clearly that’s not true.” She then added it was “irresponsible for people to shroud-wave in that way”."

It wasn't a reference to a specific child or parent as you claim.

It is true though isn't it? Prof Appleby could find no evidence of it. It's been a year now. What you came up with was children who had a myriad of issues and didn't get adequate psychiatric support - some of whom were actually on puberty blockers - and you made a claim of evidence that you couldn't produce. And still you ghoulishly push the 'transition or die' narrative at these kids.

This was Prof Appleby today:

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He means people like you. You campaign but fail to produce the evidence.

Imagine comparing men wanting access to women's spaces with the centuries long struggle of black people to be recognised as human beings. I mean, it's both racist and cringey.

Those men pissing up the side of a statue or calling for women to be killed aren't Rosa Parkes but, like you, they are doing a bang up job of showing us what male entitlement looks like.
 

CXRAndy

Veteran
HMP Peterborough is a mixed sex prison in as much as that it house male and female prisoners in separate wings. HMP Grampian in Scotland likewise.
You're trying to say its like a mixed school, it isn't.

The inmates will be separated by locked doors and likely separate parts of the building.

So in reality they are segregated
 

CXRAndy

Veteran
Monkers position has literally collapsed

There is no surge in deaths from children not receiving puberty blockers

Definition of woman is based on biology

A trans women is in fact a trans identifying male whether or not they carry a piece of paper.
 

CXRAndy

Veteran
So you can't argue against the placards

In the papers today

Government to list crime league tables of foreigners whilst in the UK

Figures indicate rapid rise in crimes in all aspects, general, violent ,sexual, theft
from foreigners

Albanians and Romanians responsible for greatest numbers of crimes at a rate some 30 times more than British citizens

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...-league-tables-published-government-first-uk/
 
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Psamathe

Senior Member
I've been finding this thread really dispiriting. I'd been things society has been moving forward but, oh dear, seems not.

I kmnow one trans woman, lost touch a few years ago but a good friend sees her every couple of months so up to date with her news and life is difficult. And now life is even more difficult. Why can't we as a society help people in difficult circumstances rather than just adopt a tribal stance.

And when I see things like
All men are a potential danger to women.
Let's all move to Afghanistan, plenty of enforced single sex spaces there.

It's really disheartening. We are supposed to be better than this.

Ian
 
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