Gender again. Sorry!
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monkers
Squire
The term by definition doesn't fit you Ian: it fits them. It is not insulting to call them 'bigots'.
I don't regard trans people as people just making an effort to look like men or women. I think of it in terms of gender dysphoria which I regard as a more significant issue.
As I commented earlier in the thread I had hoped our society was more accommodating embracing differences rather than excluding based on rigid definitions. Trying to find ways to help those struggling with challenges which is why I find this thread so depressing.
Ian
bobzmyunkle
Über Member
It was tongue in cheek/ sarcastic. Doesn't really work on social media.
Ian H
Legendary Member
“I have a list as long as my arm that I worry about daily,” says Katie Russell, the chief executive and co-founder of the service Support After Rape and Sexual Violence Leeds (SARSVL). “The funding landscape, a broken criminal justice system, the global threat of violent misogyny.”
She lives a few streets away from where two women were seriously injured last weekend in a crossbow attack perpetrated by a man who espoused misogynist hate online.
“But trans women have never felt like a risk or a threat or a problem,” she says. “While I can’t speak for every individual over the last 15 years, I honestly cannot think of an example where our trans-inclusive policy has been a problem for a service user.”
https://www.theguardian.com/society...er-trans-inclusive-services-at-womens-refuges
She lives a few streets away from where two women were seriously injured last weekend in a crossbow attack perpetrated by a man who espoused misogynist hate online.
“But trans women have never felt like a risk or a threat or a problem,” she says. “While I can’t speak for every individual over the last 15 years, I honestly cannot think of an example where our trans-inclusive policy has been a problem for a service user.”
https://www.theguardian.com/society...er-trans-inclusive-services-at-womens-refuges
bobzmyunkle
Über Member
BBC News - Charity boss apologises to rape survivors over crisis centre failings
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj310jvzpd8o
AuroraSaab
Shaman
No service user had a problem? Perhaps that's because women will self-exclude as they know there may be men in that refuge. Or they go once and don't return. Or they're too scared or desperate for help to voice objection.
After sexual assault some women and girls can't even bear for their dad to touch them or give them a hug again. Imagine going to a rape support group as a traumatised woman, where women talk about their assault, and finding yourself sitting next to man. You'd likely never go back.
It was a Leeds women's domestic violence refuge where transwoman paedophile Katie Dolatowski had a 10 week stay in 2022.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...aff-71-day-stay-domestic-violence-refuge.html
It's possible to make provision for trans identifying men who need support without making women accommodate them.
Why the obsession with putting them in women's domestic violence refuges and rape crisis centres? It's unnecessary and heartless.
After sexual assault some women and girls can't even bear for their dad to touch them or give them a hug again. Imagine going to a rape support group as a traumatised woman, where women talk about their assault, and finding yourself sitting next to man. You'd likely never go back.
It was a Leeds women's domestic violence refuge where transwoman paedophile Katie Dolatowski had a 10 week stay in 2022.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...aff-71-day-stay-domestic-violence-refuge.html
It's possible to make provision for trans identifying men who need support without making women accommodate them.
Why the obsession with putting them in women's domestic violence refuges and rape crisis centres? It's unnecessary and heartless.
AuroraSaab
Shaman
How do we know which men are suffering from gender dysphoria and which ones aren't? And, realistically, why should that make a difference to the women and girls who are being told to accept them in their spaces? He's still a man.
I find it depressing that you think women are support animals for men who don't like being men. Women's spaces are not there as refuges for unhappy men. Why don't you do the accommodating and embracing of differences and welcome your non conforming brethren into your male spaces? Why don't you help these men by accepting them rather than putting the onus on women?
CXRAndy
Veteran
Oh dear, poor poor snowflake.
Man up 😜
This is why entertaining your easily offended attitudes got all of us into this crazy situation
I don't think that atall. I'm amazed as to how you drawn that conclusion. I genuinely am shocked to my core about this suggestion. Trying to discuss issues facing our society yet I'm finding increasingly some pro-exclusion are targeting and attacking contributors they don't agree with. Debate the issues and please stock attacking contributors.
Ian
CXRAndy
Veteran
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AuroraSaab
Shaman
I draw that conclusion because the only people who are being asked to be accommodating and inclusive and give up anything of significance are women.
That you can't see this says a lot about your myopic view of the issue. What are you giving up in order to be pro inclusion? What does it cost you compared to what it costs women?
For example, are there any transmen dominating their swimming category?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...mmer-ana-caldas-wins-races-texas-contest.html
Any transmen wanting to be in male prisons?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...phile-male-prison-jailed-indecent-images.html
Women tried for years to be accommodating, suggesting 3rd spaces or trans specific services. It was always rejected because only complete inclusion in women's spaces will ever be enough.
Mickle was joking when he called you a bigot but you'll find that if your view is that there is some nice, kind compromise to be had, you'll be regarded as a bigot by trans activists too.
classic33
Myself
Schuyler Bailar
