Gender again. Sorry!

[monkers]

No, your partner isn't an invention. The pair of you are all over the Internet and are easy enough to find.

Then you have the wrong people. I only post here. My partner and N avoid social media altogether, they both have always urged me to do the same. Before posting on NACA I was only on cyclechat, now I don't even post there.

 

[icowden]

Drastic irreversible surgery that removes healthy body parts to cure a mental health problem is unethical medicine

This is an interesting topic for debate. On the one hand I agree, but there is the view that if it improves quality of life and prevents suicide, then it becomes ethical.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Regret doesn't seem to set in until about 7 years after. Studies that claim a positive mental outcome are short-term, poor quality, and often self selecting. Good quality large scale research suggests increased suicide risk.

Straub et al, 2024.

The Djeune study found higher all cause mortality, including suicide, in their research.

Once the euphoria wears off, and obviously as younger patients mature, the reality of what has been done with drugs or surgery sets in. Unfortunately we can't measure regret levels easily as these patients just disappear off the radar, stop picking up prescriptions etc. Clinics aren't interested in what happens long term. The Tavistock did zero follow ups in 20 years. They had no data as to whether giving kids puberty blockers and later hormones improved their mental health or not.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Then you have the wrong people. I only post here. My partner and N avoid social media altogether, they both have always urged me to do the same. Before posting on NACA I was only on cyclechat, now I don't even post there.

I'm not about to dox you but I have listened to your lies on here for years and it is tiresome that you pretend to be what you are not. At least your partner is honest.

 

[monkers]

Regret doesn't seem to set in until about 7 years after. Studies that claim a positive mental outcome are short-term, poor quality, and often self selecting. Good quality large scale research suggests increased suicide risk.

Straub et al, 2024.

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The Djeune study found higher all cause mortality, including suicide, in their research.

Once the euphoria wears off, and obviously as younger patients mature, the reality of what has been done with drugs or surgery sets in. Unfortunately we can't measure regret levels easily as these patients just disappear off the radar, stop picking up prescriptions etc. Clinics aren't interested in what happens long term. The Tavistock did zero follow ups in 20 years. They had no data as to whether giving kids puberty blockers and later hormones improved their mental health or not.

Sweden had a long history of forced sterilisations, and not just for trans people.

https://www.euronews.com/2023/06/08...e-against-their-will-in-the-cause-of-eugenics

You think that forced gender surgery leads to happy outcomes?

We've been round this loop before.

 

[monkers]

I'm not about to dox you but I have listened to your lies on here for years and it is tiresome that you pretend to be what you are not. At least your partner is honest.

Whatever you think you know is probably wrong. It also confirms what I've been saying, you scrape the internet. It's clear that you've been looking for me and my partner. Every day a new low.

The nature of my partner's work is such that she is not permitted social media accounts. She has the highest level of security clearance. You won't even find her on Linkedin.

 

[CXRAndy]

This is an interesting topic for debate. On the one hand I agree, but there is the view that if it improves quality of life and prevents suicide, then it becomes ethical.

There is the data after NHS stopped offering puberty blockers that there would be a huge spike in suicide


There wasn't, so I doubt it would be the same for those who didn't get surgery.

They would be still miserable, but without a long list of chronic medical complications

 

[CXRAndy]

Is that how you get into Mi5. Via LinkedIn? 😂

 

[monkers]

Is that how you get into Mi5. Via LinkedIn? 😂

I wouldn't know, I've never been on Linkedin.

 

[CXRAndy]

Sweden had a long history of forced sterilisations, and not just for trans people.

https://www.euronews.com/2023/06/08...e-against-their-will-in-the-cause-of-eugenics

You think that forced gender surgery leads to happy outcomes?

We've been round this loop before.

But, my goodness, they have some fantastic looking people

🤩

 

[CXRAndy]

Let me get this straight-oops

Monkers has a partner with highest of government security, a well known online persona, and is not a lesbian but a trans identifying male???

 

[monkers]

Let me get this straight-oops

Monkers has a partner with highest of government security, a well known online persona, and is not a lesbian but a trans identifying male???

I have a partner. Like me she is a lesbian woman. That is all. Anything else is none of your business.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Whatever you think you know is probably wrong. It also confirms what I've been saying, you scrape the internet. It's clear that you've been looking for me and my partner. Every day a new low.

I didn't need to scrape the Internet. A screenshot of that tweet you made calling lesbians dumb f#cks popped up on my Twitter timeline years ago. It's still doing the rounds occasionally. Wasn't the best idea to use the same profile photo on CC as on other material.
The arguments stand on their own merit but your pretence rather tries my patience occasionally. Too far in to come clean now though.

 

[CXRAndy]

Is that true monkers?

You used the same photo for both accounts

 

[monkers]

I didn't need to scrape the Internet. A screenshot of that tweet you made calling lesbians dumb f#cks popped up on my Twitter timeline years ago. It's still doing the rounds occasionally. Wasn't the best idea to use the same profile photo on CC as on other material.
The arguments stand on their own merit but your pretence rather tries my patience occasionally. Too far in to come clean now though.

That would be amazing, especially as I'm not on Twitter. Why would I call lesbians ''dumb farks''. You get more ridiculous by the day.

I take it this person has the same first name as me, and that is the some of the evidence.