Gender again. Sorry!

[icowden]

I will just gently say, that I think you are getting ahead of yourself.

Honestly, I think you are being too kind. We all need to stop obsessing about toilets. They are all the same, but you can get more people in if they have the fire-hose style attachment that's all. I doubt that there are many men who would be upset if a woman needed to use a cubicle in the mens. Similarly I've been in the ladies before to change nappies (because that was where the baby change was) or when my children (girls) were very small.

 

[CXRAndy]

Anecdotal sample evidence - sample 1

 

[CXRAndy]

US supreme court backs states banning surgery, puberty blockers and hormones.

Currently 26 states restrict such practices. Only 26 jeez, what butchery is going on

 

[AuroraSaab]

Honestly, I think you are being too kind. We all need to stop obsessing about toilets.

It's not really about toilets, as you know. It's about all single sex spaces and provisions.

I doubt that there are many men who would be upset if a woman needed to use a cubicle in the mens.

Great. Trans identifying men can also use them without fear or worry then. Problem solved.

Similarly I've been in the ladies before to change nappies (because that was where the baby change was) or when my children (girls) were very small.

Big difference between a father using the baby changer or a father taking small girls into the Ladies and a man on his own being in women's single sex spaces. The fact that you can't see the distinction explains a lot.

 

[monkers]

Sorry to read that, but thanks for letting us know.

Hope it was as pain free, and as quick as possible.

She went for an afternoon nap, saying ''wake me an hour''. I went back an hour later with a cup of tea, and she was gone. Thanks for the kind sentiments though. xx

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

N here.

Just to let you know monkers passed last week.

CXRAndy - legal point - the abortion limit is 24 weeks not 20 as you stated.

Final point re: monkers on Twitter. Monkers never had a Twitter account. Years ago she had a small spat with a Green Party activist. As an act of spite, the father of that person opened a Twitter account in her name and used her image. He made a number of Tweets which produced a bit of Twitter storm. Later this man was sentenced to a very long prison sentence on unrelated very serious sexual offences.

Very sorry to hear of your loss. Having not seen any posts for a couple of weeks, had assumed that may have been the case. I admired monkers conviction on here.

 

[Rusty Nails]

She went for an afternoon nap, saying ''wake me an hour''. I went back an hour later with a cup of tea, and she was gone. Thanks for the kind sentiments though. xx

So sad to hear this, even though the end came peacefully. I wondered if the worst had happened when she suddenly stopped posting.
Look after yourself and Monker’s partner.

 

[monkers]

So sad to hear this, even though the end came peacefully. I wondered if the worst had happened when she suddenly stopped posting.
Look after yourself and Monker’s partner.

Thank you Rusty for this. xx It's much appreciated. She said repeatedly ''I'm fine with it'' when she got the news, and so she was, though we noticed a lower threshold to suffer fools gladly in the last weeks. There may have been some evidence, or not, of that on here.

 

[Bromptonaut]

It's not really about toilets, as you know. It's about all single sex spaces and provisions.

It absolutely is about toilets; see how your cronies called out a transwoman for using the women's facilities after giving evidence to a Parliamentary Committee.

 

[AuroraSaab]

It's not about toilets in the same way that it wasn't about water fountains. Toilets are the easiest to solve issue but trans activists highlight them because toilets are the easiest situation to get sympathy for; far easier than men in rape crisis centres, domestic violence refuges, changing rooms, or sports.

The man in question, Robin Moira White, could have used the mixed sex toilets which were just as close to the hall but instead he chose to use the Womens. In fact, he chose to follow 2 women he knew, who are leaders of women's groups, into them. He engineered the situation.

Why shouldn't women 'call out' a man in women's single sex spaces? At what point are they allowed to say No?

 

[bobzmyunkle]

It absolutely is about toilets; see how your cronies called out a transwoman for using the women's facilities after giving evidence to a Parliamentary Committee.

Come on Brompton, up your game. Who's next for the 'you're all the same' argument? Blacks? Jews?

 

[farfromtheland]

So sorry to hear of Monkers passing N. My best wishes to you and to all her family and friends.

 

[icowden]

It's not about toilets in the same way that it wasn't about water fountains. Toilets are the easiest to solve issue but trans activists highlight them because toilets are the easiest situation to get sympathy for; far easier than men in rape crisis centres, domestic violence refuges, changing rooms, or sports.

Toilets are one area that does not need solving.

 

[CXRAndy]

All they need to do is say only women(you know, those dinosaurs that can give birth) can go in women's toilets

Really simple solution

 

[AuroraSaab]

It doesn't need solving if people use the facilities appropriate to their sex. Unfortunately some men are not prepared to do this, so unless you want those men to have to use the Men's toilets whether they like it or not then a 'solution' - such as additional 3rd spaces which are mixed sex - will need to be considered as an option in some buildings.

Of course, as Bromptonaut's post showed, some men are going to ignore those unisex facilities and continue to cross the boundaries of women's single sex spaces.