Gender again. Sorry!

[AuroraSaab]

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They're simply taking the Good Law Project's own announcement as correct when it wasn't.

This is what they judge (J) actually said.

- he wants clarification of what GLP are actually challenging.
- the GLP case needs more management.
- instead of hearing it today he will hear it at a later date in a 'rolled up hearing'. ie he'll look at their updated submissions at that later date; if they have merit the case will proceed immediately after.

He literally says 'No decision has been taken on granting review'.

You should be happy. It gives Jolyon more time to get his act together and more time to raise the endless funds he seems to require.

 

[monkers]

They're simply taking the Good Law Project's own announcement as correct when it wasn't.

This is what they judge (J) actually said.

- he wants clarification of what GLP are actually challenging.
- the GLP case needs more management.
- instead of hearing it today he will hear it at a later date in a 'rolled up hearing'. ie he'll look at their updated submissions at that later date; if they have merit the case will proceed immediately after.

He literally says 'No decision has been taken on granting review'.

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In summary I said this ...'' In other words the permission hearing is delayed.'' I said it not because I had read the GLP but through procedural understanding.

 

[AuroraSaab]

This is grasping at straws, trying to make out the GLP have scored a win when their case was so poorly presented they were asked to resubmit it in November.

Their case will not be 'heard in full' as GLP claim - not unless they make a better case next time. They have not been 'given go ahead to challenge EHRC's single sex spaces guidance' as you claim by quoting The Scotsman.

Just accept it - they weren't successful in their application for a full hearing, but have been given another chance to resubmit with greater clarity. Maybe they'll be successful and get a full hearing, maybe they won't. This week they weren't.

 

[monkers]

This is grasping at straws, trying to make out the GLP have scored a win when their case was so poorly presented they were asked to resubmit it in November.

Their case will not be 'heard in full' as GLP claim - not unless they make a better case next time. They have not been 'given go ahead to challenge EHRC's single sex spaces guidance' as you claim by quoting The Scotsman.

Just accept it - they weren't successful in their application for a full hearing, but have been given another chance to resubmit with greater clarity. Maybe they'll be successful and get a full hearing, maybe they won't. This week they weren't.

I'm simply saying that permission has not been rejected. This is understandable, in the Judge's place I would have made the same decision. The reference to ''chasing a moving target'' is acknowledgment that the Commission are playing games. They released the Interim Guidance. The GLP sought an emergency hearing requiring the Commission to respond within 14 days. They didn't. In the meantime they rowed back on toilets, and tried to play the innocent claiming that it wasn't actually guidance just a news update on the UKSC ruling. Now the guidance is not in place, but new guidance is expected by the end of August. The Judge has no simply delayed the permission hearing, he is aiming for a rolled-up hearing - in others the permission hearing will be heard, and then if permission is granted the substantive hearing will be heard immediately after. There is no criticism of GLP implied, but a sympathy of their position.

Therefore my position is correct - the permission hearing is delayed.

 

[monkers]

Copilot - what is meant by a rolled up hearing?


A rolled-up hearing is a type of court proceeding used in judicial review cases where two stages are combined into one:

⚖️ What It Includes​

• Permission stage: The court decides whether the claimant is allowed to bring the judicial review.
• Substantive stage: If permission is granted, the court immediately hears the full case.

So instead of having two separate hearings—one to get permission and another to argue the case—the judge hears both at once. If permission is refused, the case ends there. If granted, the judge proceeds straight into the arguments.

🕰️ Why It’s Used​

• Often ordered in urgent cases or where delay could cause harm.
• Helps speed up the process and reduce costs compared to the usual two-stage approach.

 

[CXRAndy]

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[monkers]

This is grasping at straws, trying to make out the GLP have scored a win when their case was so poorly presented they were asked to resubmit it in November.

Their case will not be 'heard in full' as GLP claim - not unless they make a better case next time. They have not been 'given go ahead to challenge EHRC's single sex spaces guidance' as you claim by quoting The Scotsman.

Just accept it - they weren't successful in their application for a full hearing, but have been given another chance to resubmit with greater clarity. Maybe they'll be successful and get a full hearing, maybe they won't. This week they weren't.

You are inventing false narrative.

This is not what the judge said. He said they are ''chasing a moving target'' because EHRC are saying that they are revising the guidance before the end of August that GLP were originally challenging. He is waiting until EHRC publish the revised guidance, and GLP write any challenge to the revised guidelines.

This was clear from the text of the hearing that you pasted.

 

[CXRAndy]

Pretty much exemplifies the trans upside down trans ideology


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[AndyRM]

Since some peeps claim to be all about protecting our children and women, I wonder what they reckon about a 12 year old girl winning a medal at the Worlds?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/swimming/articles/c70x85rwyp6o

 

[AuroraSaab]

An amazing achievement. I do share the concerns mentioned in the article about excessive training at that age. A friend had a daughter who was a county level swimmer and she was in the pool at 7am weekdays and then again after school. I would guess that in China such children are perhaps in special sports schools where their sport is part of their individual curriculum, not fitted in round a normal school day. Hopefully things have changed since the abusive training regimes that for example Russian and East German child gymnasts were put through.

 

[AndyRM]

"Guess", "hopefully"?

To get to where that child is, she's been pushed beyond what's acceptable.

It's abuse.

 

[CXRAndy]

To get to where that child is, she's been pushed beyond what's acceptable.

It's abuse

Its certainly requires a great amount of hard work.

It depends whether the kid enjoys the challenge.

We have a friend who has a daughter who plays tennis since the age of 8. Her and father travel all around Europe doing tournaments. She's 16 now, has a private tutor. She loves the game and the hard work.

 

[AndyRM]

Convenient how these "friends" have just popped up.

 

[AuroraSaab]

"Guess", "hopefully"?

To get to where that child is, she's been pushed beyond what's acceptable.

It's abuse.

Tom Daly competed in his first Olympics at 14, Sharon Davies at 13.

Here's a British 13 year old girl running times that are a quarter of a second off qualification times for the Commonwealth Games.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/articles/cwyk17pl8k9o

You'd need to ask them if they feel their training was child abuse. Sometimes children are exceptionally gifted at sports or music.
I don't think you can automatically assume the Chinese girl is being abused, though it is China obvs and they do have a poor record on how they treat athletes.

Convenient how these "friends" have just popped up.

Why would they pop up previously? It wasn't relevant to mention them. Want til you hear how much kids who are exceptional musicians practise.

 

[CXRAndy]

Convenient how these "friends" have just popped up.

All the top end athletes start very young, have dedicated parents, willing to either sacrifice or fund the hours of work required to try and get to the top.

Or they could just sit around play on a computer