Gender again. Sorry!

[AndyRM]

Where is this "trans community"? Because going off the microcosm of this thread their attempts at indoctrination should be wildly successful.

And yet, there is one trans member on here (who apparently is making everything up), and a non-binary member (me, who apparently doesn't exist).

Howay trans community, get these hetty spaghettis indoctrinated!

 

[monkers]

The evidence available as of now is the NHS records of the patients they already saw. The Tavistock chose not to have a system of follow ups such as surveys, interviews, psychological evaluations, medical updates, with the children they discharged once they'd given them their prescriptions. It would have been far better to have an ongoing assessment of how those children given puberty blockers were faring but that chance is long gone.



That is not what Cass said. It is not what journalists such as Hannah Barnes discovered. Clinicians were so enamoured of the Dutch protocol and so convinced they were doing the right thing they didn't stop to think that they should be measuring the outcomes. Plus groups like Mermaids were allowed input into the clinic, bypassing GP's. Questioning became unacceptable. It was a clinic based on ideology.

As with sports and prisons though, there is no evidence that cannot be dismissed by trans activists because ultimately it's a house of cards that requires everyone to ignore the most obvious of conclusions.

I'm speaking from the knowledge of people who have experienced the problem. They experienced getting appointments as children, were strung along until the age of 18, then discharged and told to apply for adult services, where the queue for first appointments can be as long as 21 years.

Let's not pretend that these are not structural problems just because Cass says something else. Cass was appointed by the NHS. The post was not advertised, there was no application procedure. The NHS had major failures to cover up. They chose Cass.

Fortunately for me I managed to avoid the NHS for my therapies.

 

[monkers]

As with sports and prisons though, there is no evidence that cannot be dismissed by trans activists because ultimately it's a house of cards that requires everyone to ignore the most obvious of conclusions.

I assure you that I am not trying to find a way to get into UK women's prisons. I'm not trying to get into maternity wards, women's refuges, or cheat in elite sport. All I want to do is play the sports that I do socially with my friends, and use the loo without advertising my private medical history. I have no history of any kind of activism, this is all your invention.

I have not been through a male puberty. I have no male genitals. I have no male beard. I have no criminal record. On the other hand I have breasts (no surgery rqd). I have my own hair. I have a female voice. Somehow though I manage to live rent-free in your head as some dangerous predator whose human rights must be removed.

It's pretty confusing that you manage to say that I don't exist on the one hand, but have all this invented backstory and history on the other.

You just can't stop inventing Aurora all fueled by a mix of paranoia and a vivid imagination.

All I post here is counterpoint to your gender critical ideology. One that is falsely framed and full of invention.

 

[spen666]

.... I tend to look at the evidence, ...

 

[classic33]

Why would they want to keep records.

The horrific life long complications should not be exposed to the public.

There are multiple who have de transitioned, commenting on problems physically that they were never made aware of.

Medically doctors and clinicians know of recorded side effects from taking certain drugs from the drug makers.
Why would the trans community want to publish these, detrimental to their cause

There's side effects to any long term medications given. Often only becoming apparent in later life. To try and pretend it's only one set of people that are going to be affected is plain nuts.

Heart problems, including a slow or irregular heartbeat.
Chest pain
Dizziness
Tiredness
Temporarily lower the number of white blood cells in your blood, increasing the chance of getting an infection
Lower the number of platelets, which are necessary for proper blood clotting.
Decrease the density of bones, resulting in weaker bones
Drowsiness
Trouble in controlling movements
Inability to move the eyes
Trouble with, speaking, or swallowing and breathing
Can cause Diabetes
Liver damage
And, no painkillers to be taken whilst using/taking it.

This is a widely used medication.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Let's not pretend that these are not structural problems just because Cass says something else.

The waiting list length has nothing to do with the failure to follow up patients. It was a choice by the Tavistock not to check whether their treatment improved patients lives.

I assure you that I am not trying to find a way to get into UK women's prisons. I'm not trying to get into maternity wards, women's refuges, or cheat in elite sport. All I want to do is play the sports that I do socially with my friends, and use the loo without advertising my private medical history.

You've literally spent years on here arguing the case for male access to women's single sex spaces, sports, and prisons. You are free to use the facilities of your sex, the same as anybody else. If you don't like that you can campaign for additional mixed sex facilities.

There's side effects to any long term medications given. Often only becoming apparent in later life. To try and pretend it's only one set of people that are going to be affected is plain nuts.

Probably best not to give them to 11 year olds for a mental health issue that can be resolved with support and watchful waiting then.

 

[classic33]

Probably best not to give them to 11 year olds for a mental health issue that can be resolved with support and watchful waiting then.

You'd happily sit there and watch the 11 year old suffer?

 

[CXRAndy]

You'd happily sit there and watch the 11 year old suffer?

Drugs aren't always the solution, especially drugs that have irreversible side effects.

Better to counsel than medicate

 

[AuroraSaab]

You'd happily sit there and watch the 11 year old suffer?

You'd have an 11 year old girl possibly end up infertile, suffer bone problems, vaginal bleeding, or go through egg retrieval at 11, for a transient mental health issue that likely disappears by their late teens?

 

[classic33]

You'd have an 11 year old girl possibly end up infertile, suffer bone problems, vaginal bleeding, or go through egg retrieval at 11, for a transient mental health issue that likely disappears by their late teens?

And you know that for certain, in every case?

 

[classic33]

Drugs aren't always the solution, especially drugs that have irreversible side effects.

Better to counsel than medicate

Sometimes it's the only way.

And if counselling has been proven to not have any effect?

 

[CXRAndy]

According to experts, most children grow out of their dysphoria

 

[AuroraSaab]

[QUOTE="classic33, post: 165267, member:
And if counselling has been proven to not have any effect?
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Where's your evidence that psychological support and watchful waiting aren't effective?
Surely the best research would be a long term trial of that approach - which is non invasive and has proved successful with other mental health issues - rather than a medical intervention that has side effects and is questionable that children can even understand what they are consenting to?

 

[monkers]

You've literally spent years on here arguing the case for male access to women's single sex spaces, sports, and prisons. You are free to use the facilities of your sex, the same as anybody else. If you don't like that you can campaign for additional mixed sex facilities.

I literally have done no such thing. What I have done is point out that the lie that there are hundreds of marauding trans women in women's prison was and remains a lie. Sports? I've said very little, but obviously banning people from playing chess over arguments of chromosomes is frankly ridiculous.

I don't live in the UK, why would I campaign where the problem just doesn't exist?