Gender poll - new and improved

[CXRAndy]

The trans ideology have tried to create the narrative that biology is an extreme position.

Trans cant be the only extremists

Yeah they can

 

[bobzmyunkle]

The sex realist position is not "extreme".

To be fair he didn't say that.

On the TERF side or "anti-trans" side there tend to be extremists whose position is that trans doesn't exist.

The claim was that TERF is anti-trans per se, although the anti-trans is in quotes so maybe not. Language can be a bit slippery and we don't want to be inflammatory on this thread, do we.

 

[mickle]

Nope. I think you may have missed my point which was to illustrate the extremism on both sides.

To be fair he didn't say that.

 

[Ian H]

I'm happy to agree with Judith Butler or, for more a directly enunciated philosophy, Miriam Margolyes.

 

[AndyRM]

Maybe a compromise would be to stop calling things an "ideology" or being quick to ridicule people for different ways of thinking?

 

[AndyRM]

Also I don't really understand why people are confused by the term TERF.

It literally stands for "Trans Exclusive Radical Feminist".

 

[CXRAndy]

Also I don't really understand why people are confused by the term TERF.

It literally stands for "Trans Exclusive Radical Feminist".

Its a made up phrase .

In general terms it's men and women who dont believe in the mumbo jumbo, that anyone can change their sex.

 

[AndyRM]

QED.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Maybe a compromise would be to stop calling things an "ideology" or being quick to ridicule people for different ways of thinking?

What is it if not an ideology @AndyRM? Genuine question. What is a 'different way of thinking' other than an ideology?
Genuine question in the interest of debate.

 

[Ian H]

What is it if not an ideology @AndyRM? Genuine question. What is a 'different way of thinking' other than an ideology?
Genuine question in the interest of debate.

Ideology is a political belief.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Ideology is a political belief.

Narrowly defined, perhaps.
How about this?

'In simple words, an ideology is a set of shared beliefs, ideas, and values that form a worldview, guiding how a group or person understands the world and what they think should be done about it, often in politics, religion, or culture (like capitalism, socialism, or conservatism). It's a blueprint for life, explaining how society works and how to make it better, influencing goals, expectations, and actions'.

 

[Ian H]

Narrowly defined, perhaps.
How about this?

'In simple words, an ideology is a set of shared beliefs, ideas, and values that form a worldview, guiding how a group or person understands the world and what they think should be done about it, often in politics, religion, or culture (like capitalism, socialism, or conservatism). It's a blueprint for life, explaining how society works and how to make it better, influencing goals, expectations, and actions'.

So, from that, you probably wouldn't call sexual orientation an ideology.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

So, from that, you probably wouldn't call sexual orientation an ideology.

Explain your point instead of trying to score one and we'll make a bit more progress.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Explain your point instead of trying to score one and we'll make a bit more progress.

I doubt that being gay is an ideology any more than I consider a trans person is following an ideology?

 

[Ian H]

Explain your point instead of trying to score one and we'll make a bit more progress.

What is it if not an ideology @AndyRM? Genuine question. What is a 'different way of thinking' other than an ideology?
Genuine question in the interest of debate.

I was merely suggesting that one's personal identity/orientation doesn't constitute an idealogy, which I would take as an assumed belief, not an intrinsic part of oneself.