Gender poll - new and improved

Tick whatever boxes you fancy

  • I love trans people

  • I'm transphobic, i.e., I'm literally afraid of trans people

  • Trans people have all the rights they need right now

  • No they don't

  • The gender thread has helped me make up my mind

  • The gender thread nearly made me lose my mind

  • Monkers is talking bollox

  • AuroraSaab is talking bollox

  • Everybody talks bollox sometimes

  • I'm trans, you're trans, we're all trans


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monkers

Shaman
Doesn't Trump science in my opinion

Peace trumps war. Change my mind.

Science makes no argument beyond saying that in a society without a mix of males and females, the species does not otherwise survive without the intervention of practitioners of medical science.
 
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AuroraSaab

Pharaoh
You mentioned nuance in one of your polls. And had you been engaged with the gender thread you'd know that N and Aurora are outliers, while others are trying to have a reasonable discussion about gender.

I don't think my views are outlying views. Most people seem to be of the view that sex is binary and that in certain circumstances women should have single sex spaces, free from all men regardless of how they identify. Neither are these views unreasonable.


Your statement is not in dispute or a matter of debate. This is only a position of prejudice. Advocacy for the removal of human rights of one group is a form of facism. If this is what you advocate, then the dictionary provides the necessary words to describe these positions. Your persistence with this is demonstration of repeated and ongoing prejudice against a group of people, and your repeated call for removal of their rights positions you within a defined group.

No rights are being removed. You have the same rights as others of your sex. What you seek are additional rights for men like yourself, at the cost of women's rights to single sex spaces.
 

monkers

Shaman
I don't think my views are outlying views. Most people seem to be of the view that sex is binary and that in certain circumstances women should have single sex spaces, free from all men regardless of how they identify. Neither are these views unreasonable.

No rights are being removed. You have the same rights as others of your sex. What you seek are additional rights for men like yourself, at the cost of women's rights to single sex spaces.

So will you will say, and maybe others who thumb your post up because they don't happen to either know or understand the law.

Each of us has the right to self-determination. If people choose to remove that right from certain groups, which is exactly what is advocated by the further right, then they vote to lose that right for themselves. Imagine going out to vote for such a thing.

People of my generation grew up hearing that what happened in 1930s Germany could never happen here - but here we are.

I live in Europe now, though I had been in the UK today, but I would effectively be in a place similar to an asylum seeker here were it not for the fact that I have dual citizenship. As it happens my temporary secondment to my present workplace ends in a few weeks, hence my being busy house hunting. I won't be coming back to the place that Europeans call ''TERF Island''.

Nonetheless, I hope that the UK manages to defend itself against the creeping fascism that advances itself as freedom.
 
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AndyRM

Elder Goth
I don't think my views are outlying views. Most people seem to be of the view that sex is binary and that in certain circumstances women should have single sex spaces, free from all men regardless of how they identify. Neither are these views unreasonable.




No rights are being removed. You have the same rights as others of your sex. What you seek are additional rights for men like yourself, at the cost of women's rights to single sex spaces.

Fair enough. I didn't say your views are unreasonable.
 
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Ianonabike

Ianonabike

Active Member
Although I have definite views on who's talking bollox, I didn't vote, except for the last jokey option in order to be able to see the results. Only one person says the gender thread changed their mind; it might be interesting if they expanded on that.
 

AndyRM

Elder Goth
Sure, they're different. My mistake. Helped make up, change, whichever.

I don't give much of a f*ck to be honest. You're the one who called out whoever voted for that option.
 
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Ianonabike

Ianonabike

Active Member
What makes you say that?
Is that a trick question?

It was good enough for Bucks Fizz...
From the Wikipedia entry about when "Making Your Mind Up" won the Eurovision Song Contest:
the performance is best remembered for the startling moment when the two male members of the group whipped off the skirts of the two girls, only to reveal shorter skirts underneath

That's got to be a metaphor for something.
 

AndyRM

Elder Goth
Is that a trick question?


From the Wikipedia entry about when "Making Your Mind Up" won the Eurovision Song Contest:
the performance is best remembered for the startling moment when the two male members of the group whipped off the skirts of the two girls, only to reveal shorter skirts underneath

That's got to be a metaphor for something.

Yes.
 
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Ianonabike

Ianonabike

Active Member
Now that's established, I'll move along to other questions for anyone inclined to try answering them, such as:

Why is this such a contentious topic?
 
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