Green Party: are they likely to get more power?

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Banderill

New Member
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58761003
The Green Party's new leaders have vowed to make it a powerful electoral force across England and Wales.

Carla Denyer and Adrian Ramsay have been elected to replace Jonathan Bartley and Sian Berry.

Ms Denyer said voters were increasingly seeing Greens "can get elected".

She said the party agreed with many of the aims of Insulate Britain - the group staging protests on motorways - but did not "necessarily agree" with their tactics.

The new leadership team has pledged to build on recent electoral successes and take more seats at every level, including more MPs.

With just one MP in the house (https://members.parliament.uk/parties/Commons) they've got a lot of work ahead of them.

Are they too left-wing to gain popular support? Do people see them as a party of protestors, rather than a political force for nationwide positive change? Do you think the unfolding climate crisis will give them more political weight over time; maybe appeal more to the upcoming generations of voters?

And do their policies stack up? Can they balance a thriving economy, prosperity for all people, and positive environmental change?
 
They're already part of a de-facto coalition in Scotland albeit on the back of a proportional electoral system.

They came second in two seats at the last General Election but still a long way behind. Difficult to see how they can break through under FPTP though.
 

Rusty Nails

Country Member
I believe the problem they face is the name of the party, which can give the idea that all they have to offer is ideas about green issues and global warming.

I am not sure that people behave a clue about their policies on finance, defence, education, employment etc. and they are seen by many as a single issue protest group.
 

Beebo

Veteran
I believe the problem they face is the name of the party, which can give the idea that all they have to offer is ideas about green issues and global warming.

I am not sure that people behave a clue about their policies on finance, defence, education, employment etc. and they are seen by many as a single issue protest group.
Somehow UKIP made an impact as a single issue party with no policies.
They didn’t have much representation in Parliament.
 

mudsticks

Squire
Somehow UKIP made an impact as a single issue party with no policies.
They didn’t have much representation in Parliament.

Trouble is The Green Party actually have some scruples.

They know that say for example, transitioning to a low carbon society, will be complex, and require a few sacrifices, from us all, alongside the obvious benefits.

They're not prepared to just repeatedly lie, and lie , and lie, and scrawl untruths on the side of public transport to get their way

They're about getting notice taken of unpalatable, but undeniable truths.

A much harder task , but undeniably a much more laudable one.
 

BoldonLad

Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
Location
South Tyneside
Trouble is The Green Party actually have some scruples.

They know that say for example, transitioning to a low carbon society, will be complex, and require a few sacrifices, from us all, alongside the obvious benefits.

They're not prepared to just repeatedly lie, and lie , and lie, and scrawl untruths on the side of public transport to get their way

They're about getting notice taken of unpalatable, but undeniable truths.

A much harder task , but undeniably a much more laudable one.
No doubt very laudable, but, if true, then, I don’t see them gaining power, except, maybe as a coalition partner.
 

mudsticks

Squire
No doubt very laudable, but, if true, then, I don’t see them gaining power, except, maybe as a coalition partner.

Well even as a coalition partner would be better than nowt.

But basically you're saying, the electorate will only vote in people who will tell them what they want to hear.

Not tell them the truth..

And ain't that the truth :sad:
 

qigong chimp

Settler of gobby hash.
Green Party: are they likely to get more power?

In the non too distant future the only parties standing will be green parties, surely?
 
Maybe they should tell more people to stop using that wood burning fireplace and ask the government to build more bio-mass so they can f-up the number and claim where green as hell, while where actually burning green.. one forest a month of something
 

Archie_tect

Active Member
Maybe they should tell more people to stop using that wood burning fireplace and ask the government to build more bio-mass so they can f-up the number and claim where green as hell, while where actually burning green.. one forest a month of something
Biomass had it's day years ago... when Governments gave massive subsidies to landowners to grow trees and Governments gave massive subsidies to companies to install biomass systems to use up the wood the landowners grew. Burning stuff isn't good.
 

BoldonLad

Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
Location
South Tyneside
Biomass had it's day years ago... when Governments gave massive subsidies to landowners to grow trees and Governments gave massive subsidies to companies to install biomass systems to use up the wood the landowners grew. Burning stuff isn't good.

Yes, we know/are being told that NOW, but, at the time, it was going to save the day, a "re-newable" fuel. Bit like when we were all encouraged to buy diesel vehicles.
 

Archie_tect

Active Member
Yes, we know/are being told that NOW, but, at the time, it was going to save the day, a "re-newable" fuel. Bit like when we were all encouraged to buy diesel vehicles.
True.

Biomass was never a 'green' fuel... it was a substitute for oil, gas and coal. People were encouraged to buy diesel fuelled vehicles because the demand for petrol was growing too fast and the diesel was a useful money making alternative.

Neither had anything to do with saving the planet and all to do with making money.
 

mudsticks

Squire
Biomass had it's day years ago... when Governments gave massive subsidies to landowners to grow trees and Governments gave massive subsidies to companies to install biomass systems to use up the wood the landowners grew. Burning stuff isn't good.

I agree regarding wood pellet burners, that consume pellets shipped in from abroad for example.

In very specific circumstances, however, burning stuff can be ok .

For example making biochar.

Similar oxygen excluding burning method to making regular charcoal, only you use thinner stuff, often hedge or tree brash, or even wood chippings.

You then quench it either with water .

Or better still something liquid containing nitrogen..

Urine separating compost loo useful supply of such a liquid.

Resulting crumbly char is an excellent soil conditioner , and soil builder and provides lots of sites for soil life, which in turn draws down more co2 .

Plus that carbon in the char is stable, not volatile like in regular organic matter,..

So it stays locked in the soil.

For ever...
 

Unkraut

Master of the Inane Comment
Location
Germany
They came second in two seats at the last General Election but still a long way behind. Difficult to see how they can break through under FPTP though.
I agree. Although proportional representation can have a downside in requiring multi-party coalitions which may not be stable, I can't see the justification for continuing with the present system in the UK. All the more so as the traditional right/left divisions which only need two parties to represent them have broken down in recent years.
Somehow UKIP made an impact as a single issue party with no policies.
They didn’t have much representation in Parliament.
They didn't need much representation. By threatening to split the vote with the Tories they managed to get their pet programme largely adopted by the Tories.

For PR fans don't forget that this system would have allowed a UKIP presence in Parliament with the possibility of blackmailing a government into succumbing to their demands or risk falling.
 
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