Is the Green Agenda the new battleground for Brexiteers?

[Hitchington]

Looking at the mood music coming from the right wingers and Brexit cohorts, I get the impression that there is real and coordinated push back against the move to a carbon free, or low carbon, future.

Look at the header on today's Telegraph calling for a "referendum on net zero" and many commentators (and backbench Tories) calling for Boris Johnson to go because he is overstepping the mark with his drive to net zero. Personally I don't think he's even scratching the surface.

I feel momentum is gathering for a Brexit style pushback against net zero and other measures needed to combat climate change. There will be more and more disinformation coming out, funded by the same people who fund the tory party.

It looks grim, but is there enough will on the side of truth to challenge these new charlatans? Will be facing a situation where a new Tory PM (or the current one under pressure from his back benches) approves a referendum on the future of our planet?

 

[fido]

If the options are:

A: moving towards a greener world for the betterment of the environment and general health & well-being.

Or:

B: Acting in a way designed to financially benefit the party backers at the expense of the above.

Then the form guide for our current government would hint ever so slightly towards A.

 

[Beebo]

Very worrying.
I suspect it will be very easy to rabble rouse the masses to go against the green agenda in pursuit of a selfish, easy option.

 

[mudsticks]

Very worrying.
I suspect it will be very easy to rabble rouse the masses to go against the green agenda in pursuit of a selfish, easy option.

Let's hope not..

The right wing both libertarian, and authoritarian have always pushed back against us greenies.

Basically we are proposing a cleaner greener pleasanter, more equitable society.

Where everyone is able to meet their own needs , or have them properly.met if they're not able.

Resources and our commons are shared more fairly , and ecosystems and biodiversity that support (our) life on earth are preserved.

Unfortunately that means less extractivism.
Less cold hard capital.

And freer happier citizens.

Those things are not so popular in the right wig world view.

Why are we even hosting the COP if the government (and their press) can't even get behind it??

 

[Beebo]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58982445

You even have countries lobbying the UN to stop focusing on fossil fuels.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

meanwhile we have a green(er) plant based alternative for diesel, which works in all if not most modern diesel vehicles and it is nowhere to be found in the uk except for industrial usage.
Because the alternative's for gas heating really really suck at the moment, it will only create more resistance for the ''energy'' transition. i really hope the government has a other options in development otherwise where in the same position as we are now roughtly 10/15 years form now. albeit with a even lower willingness to change.. but go on and blame it on Brexiteers, the milkman, guy who like odd-shaped coffecups, girls with a passion for lego etc. etc. but maybe when it's to late tea realize it's long overdue to look in the mirror.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58982445

You even have countries lobbying the UN to stop focusing on fossil fuels.

Brazil and Argentina also have a beef about having uncomfortable harmer farmer facts appearing.
Rich countries Switzerland and Australia don't want money to go to poorer countries either.

 

[mudsticks]

Very worrying.
I suspect it will be very easy to rabble rouse the masses to go against the green agenda in pursuit of a selfish, easy option.

What's that 'green blob' stuff on the strapline about, anyhow ??


Apart from the short termist extractive capitalists.

Oil corps, etc, who clearly have net losses to suffer if we move away from fossil fuels.

I'm interested as to why your 'average' person might be so resistant to moves towards a greener and cleaner and more socially equitable society ??

What's the great fear, I wonder??

 

[Pale Rider]

Looking at the mood music coming from the right wingers and Brexit cohorts, I get the impression that there is real and coordinated push back against the move to a carbon free, or low carbon, future.

Look at the header on today's Telegraph calling for a "referendum on net zero" and many commentators (and backbench Tories) calling for Boris Johnson to go because he is overstepping the mark with his drive to net zero. Personally I don't think he's even scratching the surface.

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I feel momentum is gathering for a Brexit style pushback against net zero and other measures needed to combat climate change. There will be more and more disinformation coming out, funded by the same people who fund the tory party.

It looks grim, but is there enough will on the side of truth to challenge these new charlatans? Will be facing a situation where a new Tory PM (or the current one under pressure from his back benches) approves a referendum on the future of our planet?

Yet another attempt to blame Brexiteers for anything and everything.

All that stupidity does is obscure the real question, which presumably is the opposite of what the OP intended.

No surprise there, communication was never a strong point of remainers.

 

[Bromptonaut]

Yet another attempt to blame Brexiteers for anything and everything.

All that stupidity does is obscure the real question, which presumably is the opposite of what the OP intended.

No surprise there, communication was never a strong point of remainers.

Is it not likely that Brexit and push back against zero carbon appeal to the same cohort?

The Venn diagram would be interesting; like a near total eclipse.

 

[mudsticks]

Is it not likely that Brexit and push back against zero carbon appeal to the same cohort?

The Venn diagram would be interesting; like a near total eclipse.

There could well be a correlation between people who object to regulation for the benefit of others , the benefit of the environment, or the benefit of the long term..

And people who object to moves towards net zero

After all a lot of EU legislation put in place was around environment.

Was this something that brexiteers in particular objected to?

There are troubling moves now in the UK to row back on some of these protections.

Such as on GM

 

[Hitchington]

Yet another attempt to blame Brexiteers for anything and everything.

All that stupidity does is obscure the real question, which presumably is the opposite of what the OP intended.

No surprise there, communication was never a strong point of remainers.

"Taking back control!" they all cry, "getting rid of the EU's rules and making our own!"

Here's a question for you Pale Face, what connects climate change deniers, Brexiteers, and Low Traffic Neighbourhood opponents?

The endless lie that - easily corruptible - referendums are more democratically legitimate than actual elections.

The planet doesn't care about your opinions, boy.

 

[purpan]

Here's a question for you Pale Face, what connects climate change deniers, Brexiteers, and Low Traffic Neighbourhood opponents?

I.Q.

 

[Pale Rider]

"Taking back control!" they all cry, "getting rid of the EU's rules and making our own!"

Here's a question for you Pale Face, what connects climate change deniers, Brexiteers, and Low Traffic Neighbourhood opponents?

The endless lie that - easily corruptible - referendums are more democratically legitimate than actual elections.

The planet doesn't care about your opinions, boy.

What, exactly, are you moaning about?

Almost everything is the simple answer, but is there any green/climate change point anywhere in the sour invective?

 

[Hitchington]

What, exactly, are you moaning about?

Almost everything is the simple answer, but is there any green/climate change point anywhere in the sour invective?

There you go again, complaining about being insulted when the original post wasn't directed at you.