matticus
Guru
Well of course it is - they lost.
Israel / Palestine
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Well of course it is - they lost.
Ian H
Legendary Member
They weren't born then.
matticus
Guru
Are you saying they should forget about it?
The Crofted Crest
Active Member
In my experience, Germans are more aware and contrite about the political and social drivers of the war. They do indeed know they lost.
I thought matticus's glib remark was so whoosh-wide of the point that it was a misplaced attempt at humour.
I thought matticus's glib remark was so whoosh-wide of the point that it was a misplaced attempt at humour.
C R
Über Member
I'm not so sure that's the case with regards to Israel. The German attitude seems to be even worse than in the UK or US when it comes to label criticism of Israel as antisemitic. There seems to be a large degree of overcompensation going on.
Rusty Nails
Country Member
The trouble with accepting the past and moving on is that it can cut both ways. There are still people who keep "banging on" about slavery and colonialism. Should they just "accept the past and move on".
AndyRM
Elder Goth
Quality whatabouttery.
multitool
Pharaoh
That is very different. Britain is one of several countries who have not come to terms with their imperial pasts, preferring instead to peddle the same myths that drove imperialism. Brexit itself was in part due to a failure to come to terms with loss of empire.
The people resistant to discussions of imperial exploitation are those who don't want to know their own history.
matticus
Guru
I almost went for "Well, they did start it." Always a winner, what with Mr Cleese being so popular on NACA ...
matticus
Guru
Don't be so patronising - he can still answer for himself you know!
AndyRM
Elder Goth
Did I say he couldn't?
Rusty Nails
Country Member
I understand what you say, and there are undoubtedly people in this country who still hark back to those days, particularly those of the older generations and some of the Yaxley-Lennon tendency, but that number is diminishing rapidly and is probably a small minority, except in the Tories and Reform parties.
Yes, we did build our wealth on our military strength and exploitation, and need to remember that rather than look at the past through rose tinted glasses, but that does not explain why other European countries like Spain, The Netherlands, France, Germany etc. who did something similar all remain in and support the EU. Why have they moved on and we haven’t? I put that down as much to our island status and historical distrust of ‘that lot over the channel’ as yearning for the lost days of our imperial power. Brexit was a mistake and as much about isolationism, mistrust and dissatisfaction as the lost days of grandeur, exploited by a very cynical Leave campaign.
matticus
Guru
No, but you answered on his behalf.
Fúcking hell this place can be hard work some days ...
AndyRM
Elder Goth
No, but you answered on his behalf.
Fúcking hell this place can be hard work some days ...
I know you're not new at forums so I dunno why you're confused here, but if that's your take on it then sure.