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AndyRM

Elder Goth
Budget announcement today in Scotland, which takes priority really. I suspect we'll hear more about Palestine Action when they've decided if they're going ahead with the review.
 

spen666

Über Member

Why? Because to a degree its a non story, its merely an application to get permission to make an application to have a decision made about the lawfulness of the ban.

even if this application were successful it only means that the applicants can then make an application to have a decision made about the ban. It changes nothing at this stage in real terms
 

Pross

Über Member
I wonder how the attempts by politicians of all colours to scapegoat the Chief Constable of West Midlands Police for overseeing a force doing its job on public protection with the Villa v Macabee match will go? I'm sure none would have criticised if the match had gone ahead with visiting supporters present had there been serious violence and they'd have taken the view that it was for the best to avoid being anti-Semitic. It's almost Trumpian.
 

secretsqirrel

Senior Member
I wonder how the attempts by politicians of all colours to scapegoat the Chief Constable of West Midlands Police for overseeing a force doing its job on public protection with the Villa v Macabee match will go? I'm sure none would have criticised if the match had gone ahead with visiting supporters present had there been serious violence and they'd have taken the view that it was for the best to avoid being anti-Semitic. It's almost Trumpian.

Can’t believe this is still under debate. Someone is stoking it to keep it in the news.
 

Pross

Über Member
Can’t believe this is still under debate. Someone is stoking it to keep it in the news.

The news this morning was that the Home Secretary was being put under pressure to sack him but she doesn't have the power and Kemi 'The Brain' Badenoch is calling for his resignation for "capitulating to Islamists".
 

secretsqirrel

Senior Member
The commons committee interrogation of the chief constable was incredible. All interrogating MPs declared some sort of friends of Israel link, shouldn't they have recused themselves? Is that kind of foreign interference acceptable?

Well quite.

But at the end of the day it’s a game of football.

I know, I know……….I don’t understand :B)
 

AndyRM

Elder Goth
As I understood it, the decision had nothing to do with football but was about football "fans".
IIRC, the decision was also made based on information available at the time, not stuff that came out later. Best intentions and all that.

It was based on Maccabi Ultras having previous (most recently in Amsterdam) for causing trouble. They haven't been the only team this season to have their travelling support banned in Europe this season because of fan behaviour, but because they're from Israel it's anti Semitic...
 

Psamathe

Guru
As I understood it, the decision had nothing to do with football but was about football "fans".
IIRC, the decision was also made based on information available at the time, not stuff that came out later. Best intentions and all that.
Also some team's fans having to watch one game on TV rather than in person vs the potential impact & damage to a community. I think there is a precautionary principle. Risks go beyond just the chance of something happening eg you get a phone call mid cooking and burn the eggs is higher probability but not massive consequences vs get distracted chainsawing timber outside and are in a wheelchair for the rest of your life. Decisions need to be made balancing likelihood against consequences.
 

Goonerobes

New Member
It was based on Maccabi Ultras having previous (most recently in Amsterdam) for causing trouble. They haven't been the only team this season to have their travelling support banned in Europe this season because of fan behaviour, but because they're from Israel it's anti Semitic...

Why are you still posting this nonsense? The reasons given by West Midlands Taliban police have been widely discredited, most notably by the Dutch police.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...derstands that Dutch,being found in the water.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...gy-ai-maccabi-tel-aviv-fans-ban-b2900182.html

If you're going to talk about things you clearly know nothing about at least get your facts right.
 

AndyRM

Elder Goth
Why are you still posting this nonsense? The reasons given by West Midlands Taliban police have been widely discredited, most notably by the Dutch police.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jan/12/decision-to-ban-maccabi-tel-aviv-fans-from-aston-villa-match-challenged-by-dutch-police#:~:text=The Guardian understands that Dutch,being found in the water.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...gy-ai-maccabi-tel-aviv-fans-ban-b2900182.html

If you're going to talk about things you clearly know nothing about at least get your facts right.

They admitted getting some of the evidence wrong, and the ban was because of their ultra element, not because of anti Semitism.
 
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