The Jogger
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Israel, the state that murders thousands of innocent children and then claim to be the victim.
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Israel, the state that murders thousands of innocent children and then claim to be the victim.
Poacher
Active Member
Interesting choice of user name, Shiri-Sabra; keeping alive the memory of yet another of the many IDF assisted atrocities, the Sabra and Shatila massacres.
True
Ever tried quantifying the murders at the had off Hamas? Considering you probably don't care about jews Isreali's being murdered left just focus of al those who died because Hamas depraved them of food or clean water...
Pross
Veteran
Hamas would cease to exist if Israel stopped being such a hardline Zionist regime. If they had continued down the route Rabin was taking them before being assassinated the Palestinians wouldn’t support them. The Israeli government and Hamas need each other to justify their positions.
Hamas thrived because many considered the PLO to weak, Whilst i don't disagree with you're assessment about the route Rabin and Arafat where taking, it's not because Rabin was killed first that there weren't any intentions to kill Arafat. If Rabin wasn't killed and the route to peace did end up in both Arafat and Rabin signing the peace deal, it would have still been an difficult path on both sides to keep the extremes from taking control.
And that very much the same today where it not for the fact that form both sides the extremes have taken control. Which results in many lives lost that could have been saved and very low quality of life for ordinary Palestinians.
Pblakeney
Legendary Member
Open Democracy a little slow on catching up.
Pinno718
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Pinno718
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In the video I posted above, it becomes clear how fascistic Israel has become. If that view is held by the majority of people, then all of Netanyahu's actions are totally justified and I see no reason why they wouldn't want to continue bombing Gaza, Lebanon and Iran. That makes any 'peace' deal virtually impossible.
It is abundantly clear that Israel is the destabilising force in the middle east. They are the drivers and purveyors of a continuing genocide. This Iran conflict seems to have triggered an Israeli reaction that seems to have wanted to find some faint justification for some considerable time.
Iran will hold the world ransom to the straits of Hormuz and their stance is to a greater and lesser extent, justified. Israel does not recognise the rights of anyone outside of their Zionist position and any cessation of military action would only be temporary so long as the undercurrent of opinion is that Arabs are sub-human and need to be exterminated.
Israel needs to be brought to heel but I don't know what or who does that. I am surprised though that there isn't more intervention from other Arabic states in the middle east - even if it's not on ethnic grounds but on the desire for stability and security. Surely the Saudi's and the Bahranians and all the other powerful Arab nations see themselves in the cross hairs as the impediment to Israeli ambition - perhaps not directly but definitely indirectly?
Pblakeney
Legendary Member
It was that video (or one similar) that swayed me away from blaming just Netanyahu. It is much more systematic than that.
Pblakeney
Legendary Member
There is only one country that can, short of open war, and that is the US.
Then you wonder, who is controlling who?
Pinno718
Legendary Member
Yes. We are lead to believe that like Trump, Netanyahu has used the kidnapping of Israeli's as an excuse to flatten Gaza because he was facing imprisonment and or loss of power and it may be a factor, but if something happens to Netanyahu, he will be replaced with the continuing ethic.
Pinno718
Legendary Member
Netanyahu needs this current US administration as it is acting as enabler and financier. That means that there is most probably, a massive amount of money and political will behind maintaining Trump's administration or future administrations replete with the Lindsey Grahams and the Hakeem Jeffries and all the APAC funded lobbyists.
We cannot underestimate the significance of the mid terms from the perspective of Israeli motive and what they will do to influence them.
Have I just joined some dots? Putin's fascistic intent matches Netanyahu's. Therefore, Putin has motive to interfere with US elections through media and access to politicians but Netanyahu has insiders. That is key for them. It is also key (as mentioned by someone else on here) to undermine the EU.
Putin needs to fall (and he will, it's only a matter of time), Trump needs to keel over (literally or politically) and Israel will probably continue to isolate themselves, surrounded by hatred towards them.
C R
Legendary Member
That's why I've been saying what I have been saying about the future of Israel, the kind of people that rule Israel, and how the situation only ends in catastrophe.