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Pross

Guru
But he didn't breach the contract.

How do you know? There'll have almost certainly been some clause in there that could potentially be used as a reason to drop him and cut his pay. Whilst I appreciate there's a massive difference in level, the performing contracts my daughter has to sign have all sorts of clauses about professionalism (including one that gave them the right to cancel her contract if she gained weight!).
 
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Pross

Guru
There might be some bullsh!t clause about bringing the tour into disrepute or whatever.

Exactly, I'd be amazed if he gets paid his full tour fee. Promoters are going to protect themselves and will ensure they are the last ones to be out of pocket.
 

AndyRM

Elder Goth
Exactly, I'd be amazed if he gets paid his full tour fee. Promoters are going to protect themselves and will ensure they are the last ones to be out of pocket.

Even if he only geta a percentage of his fee he's still wealthy enough to make good on his commitment.

If Kraft matches it my flabber will be well and truly gasted.
 
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Psamathe

Squire
How do you know? There'll have almost certainly been some clause in there that could potentially be used as a reason to drop him and cut his pay. Whilst I appreciate there's a massive difference in level, the performing contracts my daughter has to sign have all sorts of clauses about professionalism (including one that gave them the right to cancel her contract if she gained weight!).
Whilst it's the US where who wins can often be determined by who can spend more on lawyers, in my view there is a good argument that Maclemore was making a humanitarian comment and the promoters were being political.

Seen several "representatives of" interviewed on TV (of obvious allegiance) declaring that "Free Palestine" actually means "Destroy Israel" - and I regard that interpretation as political (and totally mad). And if such broad interpretations of language are considered valid I bet if you look at the lyrics of Sheeran's songs you'll find some horrendous stuff.
 

Pross

Guru
Whilst it's the US where who wins can often be determined by who can spend more on lawyers, in my view there is a good argument that Maclemore was making a humanitarian comment and the promoters were being political.

Seen several "representatives of" interviewed on TV (of obvious allegiance) declaring that "Free Palestine" actually means "Destroy Israel" - and I regard that interpretation as political (and totally mad). And if such broad interpretations of language are considered valid I bet if you look at the lyrics of Sheeran's songs you'll find some horrendous stuff.

I agree that what he said shouldn't have been contentious and it's a classic case of those who seek to justify the actions of the Israeli state throwing anti-semitism accusations at anyone who criticises them but the clauses in contracts are likely to be wide ranging and open to interpretation. I would expect the promoter to argue that they had to drop him to avoid the tour getting cancelled by venues and that as a result of his actions he was therefore unable to complete his obligations under the contract. I doubt there'd be much of $1 million left after legal arguments anyway.
 
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C R

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I agree that what he said shouldn't have been contentious and it's a classic case of those who seek to justify the actions of the Israeli state throwing anti-semitism accusations at anyone who criticises them but the clauses in contracts are likely to be wide ranging and open to interpretation. I would expect the promoter to argue that they had to drop him to avoid the tour getting cancelled by venues and that as a result of his actions he was therefore unable to complete his obligations under the contract. I doubt there'd be much of $1 million left after legal arguments anyway.

But then could argue, with more solid ground, that the venues would have been breaching their contract with the promoter.
 

Rusty Nails

Country Member
I expect they will have real legal experts looking at this.
 

Pinno718

Squire
Tucker Carlson on X (surprising)

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According to an informed federal official, in the coming months the Trump administration plans to send a total of 40,000 Mark 84 and Blu-117 bombs to the government of Israel. Each bomb weighs 2,000 pounds. This appears to be the largest transfer of conventional explosive ordnance from the United States in modern history. How big is this shipment? It amounts to 40,000 tons of bombs. For perspective, the largest American air raid of World War Two was the Eighth Air Force’s attack on Berlin in March of 1945. Combined, the 2,023 Allied aircraft involved dropped about 3,000 tons of bombs. That’s 7.5 percent of what Trump is sending to Israel. That same month, March of 1945, the US Army Air Forces began the single most destructive bombing raid in human history, Operation Meetinghouse over Tokyo. More than 100,000 Japanese civilians were killed. By the end of that operation, the US had dropped 1,600 tons of bombs. That’s four percent of what Trump is sending to Israel. World War Two ended five months later, when the US dropped an atomic bomb on the city of Hiroshima. The shipment Trump is sending to Israel amounts to more than three times the destructive power of that nuclear explosion. There is no precedent for what the Trump administration is doing. Nor is there a justification. The government of Israel is not fighting World War Two, or even a war. It is engaged in periodic skirmishes with a guerrilla force in Lebanon, and it is working to exterminate an unarmed civilian population in Gaza. Neither front requires modern 2,000-pound bombs. An American-made Mark 84 has a destruction radius of half a mile. It releases a thermal wave the temperature of the surface of the sun. Within 100 feet of the explosion, rock melts and human flesh turns to vapor. The bomb collapses apartment buildings and leaves craters thirty-five feet deep. Until the war with Iran, the US military generally avoided using the Mark 84 in urban areas. It kills too many civilians. For the Netanyahu government, that’s been the upside. In the weeks after October 7, the IDF dropped nearly six hundred 2,000-pound bombs on densely populated areas in Gaza, including on more than 100 officially designated civilian evacuation zones. The slaughter was so grotesque and embarrassing that for a moment the Biden administration paused a shipment of Mark 84s. Those shipments quickly resumed under Trump. Now they’ve accelerated. It’s hard to overstate the scale of the crime the Israeli government is committing in Gaza. Over the last three years, more than a quarter-million Palestinians have been killed or wounded by Israeli forces there. The majority of them have been noncombatants: women, the elderly and tens of thousands of children. Many thousands more remain missing, presumably entombed under the rubble of 200,000 collapsed buildings. So far the Israelis have destroyed 92 percent of all homes in Gaza, and 34 of the 36 hospitals. By comparison, the 1945 Allied bombings of Dresden, now acknowledged as a war crime, destroyed about half of the city’s inhabited buildings. By any definition, what the Netanyahu government has done in Gaza is genocide. The 40,000 new bombs the Trump administration is sending will be used to do the same in Lebanon, and likely in other countries in the region. If you wanted to extend the Iran war into the indefinite future, this is exactly what you’d do. So far none of this has received public scrutiny. At some point, inevitably, it will be described in media accounts as an “arms sale.” It is not an arms sale. It is a gift, funded by American taxpayers through the Foreign Military Financing program, an arrangement designed to disguise welfare as capitalism: Congress appropriates money to the executive branch, which transfers the cash to Israel to “buy” American-made weapons, in this case from General Dynamics. Politicians claim this is a win for America. Most voters have no idea they paid for it. The bill in this case is about $3 billion. Add that to the $352 billion the US Treasury has transferred to Israel since 1951. How did this happen? The request for 40,000 new high-explosive civilian-killing bombs originated at the US Embassy in Jerusalem, which is run by Christian Zionist Ambassador Mike Huckabee and his aide David Milstein, who is the stepson of Fox News host Mark Levin. From there it moved to the State Department, where Marco Rubio enthusiastically approved it. At this point, only four more people need to sign off before the bombs ship to Israel: Senators Jim Risch and Jeanne Shaheen, the chairman and ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee; and Congressmen Brian Mast and Gregory Meeks, the top two members of the equivalent House committee. All four are committed neocons. Collectively they’ve taken millions from the Israel lobby. In 2015, Brian Mast traveled to Israel to volunteer for the Israeli military. In 2023, Mast showed up in the House of Representatives wearing an IDF uniform. It’s hard to imagine any of them hesitating before sending more free bombs to Israel. Only public outrage can stop this.
 

C R

Squire
Tucker Carlson on X (surprising)

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@TuckerCarlson



According to an informed federal official, in the coming months the Trump administration plans to send a total of 40,000 Mark 84 and Blu-117 bombs to the government of Israel. Each bomb weighs 2,000 pounds. This appears to be the largest transfer of conventional explosive ordnance from the United States in modern history. How big is this shipment? It amounts to 40,000 tons of bombs. For perspective, the largest American air raid of World War Two was the Eighth Air Force’s attack on Berlin in March of 1945. Combined, the 2,023 Allied aircraft involved dropped about 3,000 tons of bombs. That’s 7.5 percent of what Trump is sending to Israel. That same month, March of 1945, the US Army Air Forces began the single most destructive bombing raid in human history, Operation Meetinghouse over Tokyo. More than 100,000 Japanese civilians were killed. By the end of that operation, the US had dropped 1,600 tons of bombs. That’s four percent of what Trump is sending to Israel. World War Two ended five months later, when the US dropped an atomic bomb on the city of Hiroshima. The shipment Trump is sending to Israel amounts to more than three times the destructive power of that nuclear explosion. There is no precedent for what the Trump administration is doing. Nor is there a justification. The government of Israel is not fighting World War Two, or even a war. It is engaged in periodic skirmishes with a guerrilla force in Lebanon, and it is working to exterminate an unarmed civilian population in Gaza. Neither front requires modern 2,000-pound bombs. An American-made Mark 84 has a destruction radius of half a mile. It releases a thermal wave the temperature of the surface of the sun. Within 100 feet of the explosion, rock melts and human flesh turns to vapor. The bomb collapses apartment buildings and leaves craters thirty-five feet deep. Until the war with Iran, the US military generally avoided using the Mark 84 in urban areas. It kills too many civilians. For the Netanyahu government, that’s been the upside. In the weeks after October 7, the IDF dropped nearly six hundred 2,000-pound bombs on densely populated areas in Gaza, including on more than 100 officially designated civilian evacuation zones. The slaughter was so grotesque and embarrassing that for a moment the Biden administration paused a shipment of Mark 84s. Those shipments quickly resumed under Trump. Now they’ve accelerated. It’s hard to overstate the scale of the crime the Israeli government is committing in Gaza. Over the last three years, more than a quarter-million Palestinians have been killed or wounded by Israeli forces there. The majority of them have been noncombatants: women, the elderly and tens of thousands of children. Many thousands more remain missing, presumably entombed under the rubble of 200,000 collapsed buildings. So far the Israelis have destroyed 92 percent of all homes in Gaza, and 34 of the 36 hospitals. By comparison, the 1945 Allied bombings of Dresden, now acknowledged as a war crime, destroyed about half of the city’s inhabited buildings. By any definition, what the Netanyahu government has done in Gaza is genocide. The 40,000 new bombs the Trump administration is sending will be used to do the same in Lebanon, and likely in other countries in the region. If you wanted to extend the Iran war into the indefinite future, this is exactly what you’d do. So far none of this has received public scrutiny. At some point, inevitably, it will be described in media accounts as an “arms sale.” It is not an arms sale. It is a gift, funded by American taxpayers through the Foreign Military Financing program, an arrangement designed to disguise welfare as capitalism: Congress appropriates money to the executive branch, which transfers the cash to Israel to “buy” American-made weapons, in this case from General Dynamics. Politicians claim this is a win for America. Most voters have no idea they paid for it. The bill in this case is about $3 billion. Add that to the $352 billion the US Treasury has transferred to Israel since 1951. How did this happen? The request for 40,000 new high-explosive civilian-killing bombs originated at the US Embassy in Jerusalem, which is run by Christian Zionist Ambassador Mike Huckabee and his aide David Milstein, who is the stepson of Fox News host Mark Levin. From there it moved to the State Department, where Marco Rubio enthusiastically approved it. At this point, only four more people need to sign off before the bombs ship to Israel: Senators Jim Risch and Jeanne Shaheen, the chairman and ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee; and Congressmen Brian Mast and Gregory Meeks, the top two members of the equivalent House committee. All four are committed neocons. Collectively they’ve taken millions from the Israel lobby. In 2015, Brian Mast traveled to Israel to volunteer for the Israeli military. In 2023, Mast showed up in the House of Representatives wearing an IDF uniform. It’s hard to imagine any of them hesitating before sending more free bombs to Israel. Only public outrage can stop this.

The US administration know that the only way to beat Iran is to inflict the same level of destruction that Israel inflicted in Gaza. The US administration know that they would not manage to pull that off because they need to keep the façade that they care about the laws of war and so on. The US administration is preparing to outsource the obliteration of Iran to Israel. You read it here first.

Note that I said US administration, not Trump administration. The democrats would probably do the same, just roll the turd in some glitter first.
 
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