Israel / Palestine

[glasgowcyclist]

Does it matter?

Yes. If we’re going to have a discussion about, context matters.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Unbelievable that you are condoning these executions. You have no idea what the allegations are against the men shown, whether they are true or false, or whether they deserve it or not (they don't, nobody does).

To whom is that 👆directed?

 

[PurplePenguin]

Presumably, based on past performance, Hamas knew the penalty for poking the Israelis with a sharp stick (ie the Oct 7 event), does that justify the Israeli response?

Is it unreasonable to hold the western backed and supported democracy of Israel to a higher standard than an internationally recognised terrorism organisation? I'm yet to understand why Israelis continually try to compare their actions to those of a terrorist group as some sort of defense.

 

[AuroraSaab]

To whom is that 👆directed?

You, for this post:

You have no idea what, if anything, these men have done yet you're calling them traitors, spies, and collaborators and suggesting public execution should be expected.

Being thrown off buildings is also historically a Hamas 'result' so presumably gay men in Gaza understand the penalty of their activity.

Are Gaza civilians who associate with Hamas effectively collaborating with Israel's enemies and should they therefore reasonably expect to be executed? If you're going to citicise Israel for barbaric acts you could at least apply the same logic to Hamas.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

You, for this post:

That post in which I don’t condone anything? That post in which I explain my understanding of reports on the incident? That post in which I don’t express any opinion on the actions of Hamas?

My apologies, however, for omitting the word ‘alleged’ before traitors.

(P.S. You do know you could just quote the relevant post rather than upload a massive screenshot?)

 

[AuroraSaab]

Are Gaza civilians who collaborate with Hamas legitimate targets for execution by Israeli forces?

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Are Gaza civilians who collaborate with Hamas legitimate targets for execution by Israeli forces?

For Israeli forces, all Palestinian civilians are legitimate targets, We’ve seen that in 4K for the past two years.

 

[Pblakeney]

I was not DEFENDING the action, I was pointing out that, on past performance, it was predictable.

Ah, yes. I voiced my fear of the outcome on BR within days of the 7th.

 

[AuroraSaab]

For Israeli forces, all Palestinian civilians are legitimate targets, We’ve seen that in 4K for the past two years.

I wasn't asking Israel. I was asking you.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

I wasn't asking Israel. I was asking you.

In my view, civilians should never be targeted.

Do you accept that I didn't condone the executions?

 

[AuroraSaab]

I'm happy if you're now saying you don't but you very much seemed to be saying the men got what they deserved, despite you having no idea who they are or what if anything they did.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

I'm happy if you're now saying you don't but you very much seemed to be saying the men got what they deserved, despite you having no idea who they are or what if anything they did.

Now saying? That’s twisting my post to suggest that I’ve changed my position.

You misinterpreted what I wrote and accused me of condoning the executions when I did nothing of the kind. Now you’re using ‘seemed’ to excuse your misplaced outrage.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I'm happy if you're now saying you don't but you very much seemed to be saying the men got what they deserved, despite you having no idea who they are or what if anything they did.

There is a big difference between saying you understand why something happens and condoning it.

Given the violent and unstable environment in Gaza I understand why they were executed, but I certainly don't condone it or think it was acceptable in any way.

 

[AuroraSaab]

You haven't called these unidentified men traitors, collaborators, and spies, or basically said 'FAFO' so there's no reason to think you condone their execution.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

You haven't called these unidentified men traitors, collaborators, and spies, or basically said 'FAFO' so there's no reason to think you condone their execution.

Doubling down, eh?

I've already stated that I was explaining my understanding of various reports of the killings. Reports which used the terms I referred to.

Please stick to reading what I wrote, without letting my sig line taint your judgement.