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Pross

Guru
Chris Philp thinks the Government have made a mistake and, to paraphrase, we should do what Israel wants as they provide us with military support and intelligence so we have to keep them sweet.
 

secretsqirrel

spiteful class warrior
I listened to Tugendhat’s response to Miliband. He seemed to agree with most of the statement, then put a flimsy opposition forward, that we are making Israel a pariah state, like they are not doing that themselves.

I guess opposition has to oppose, but it seems very superficial.
 
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Psamathe

Squire
One thing I don't fully understand about the West Bank E1 Settlement. Everybody saying it would end any prospect of a Palestinian State. But I can't see why they can't just set the boundaries of a Palestinian State anyway and include the E1 Settlement inside Palestine, under Palestinian rule and tough on Israel who knew it was illegal anyway.
 
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Pross

Guru
I listened to Tugendhat’s response to Miliband. He seemed to agree with most of the statement, then put a flimsy opposition forward, that we are making Israel a pariah state, like they are not doing that themselves.

I guess opposition has to oppose, but it seems very superficial.

They seem to feel they have to but there should be plenty of things where cross-party consensus is possible, especially on foreign policy. However, they are taking their lead from Badenoch who more or less refused an opportunity to accept an invitation to a cross-party group at PMQs last week and feels she has to oppose everything just because it has come Lefties. Reminds me of someone else.
 

briantrumpet

Timewaster
However, they are taking their lead from Badenoch who more or less refused an opportunity to accept an invitation to a cross-party group at PMQs last week and feels she has to oppose everything just because it has come Lefties. Reminds me of someone else.

Badenoch is too focused on getting the clicks/likes for her Youtube, X and Tiktok videos, which is all based on her being hostile and smug, and getting 'wins' via catchy barbs her script writers have fed her. She's as hollow as an empty tube of Smarties.
 

briantrumpet

Timewaster
That'll show 'em.

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secretsqirrel

spiteful class warrior

They must be disappointed.
 

Ian H

Pharaoh
One thing I don't fully understand about the West Bank E1 Settlement. Everybody saying it would end any prospect of a Palestinian State. But I can't see why they can't just set the boundaries of a Palestinian State anyway and include the E1 Settlement inside Palestine, under Palestinian rule and tough on Israel who knew it was illegal anyway.

Such things are pointless unless you have the will and the means to enforce it.
 
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C R

Squire
One thing I don't fully understand about the West Bank E1 Settlement. Everybody saying it would end any prospect of a Palestinian State. But I can't see why they can't just set the boundaries of a Palestinian State anyway and include the E1 Settlement inside Palestine, under Palestinian rule and tough on Israel who knew it was illegal anyway.

Such things are pointless unless you have the will and the means to enforce it.

There is a well defined territory, that's why all the settlements are illegal under international law, but as @Ian H says, without enforcement it means fück all.
 

secretsqirrel

spiteful class warrior
At least there's the odd Tory who isn't nuts (well, not all the time, anyway).

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Israeli foreign minister Gideon Saar has thanked the Conservatives for their "firm opposition to the hostile Labour government's announcement" following a phone call with Kemi Badenoch.
Saar spoke to the Conservative leader alongside shadow foreign secretary Tom Tugendhat on Tuesday evening following Miliband's speech in the House of Commons.
”We know that we have many friends in the UK, but unfortunately we are faced with the ongoing hostility of the current Labour government," Saar says in a post on X.


This is worse than Truss snivelling off to America to complain that Muslims have taken over UK.
If Badenoch doesn’t like British sanctions against the violence in the West Bank, then her place to argue it is in the Commons, not to go running off bad mouthing her own country.
 

Psamathe

Squire
I see the Chief Rabbi has made a statement about how the UK Governments new sanctions will cause increased antisemitic attacks agains British Jews.

I can't help but wonder is his arguing that the sanctions are wrong might be interpreted by some as wanting to support the Israeli Government in the West Bank and contribute to further conflating Israeli Government actions with antisemitism. I wonder if the Chief Rabbi might have helped more had he stated how the British Jewish community condemns the atrocities happening in the West Bank how the British Jewish Community calls on the Israeli Government to comply with International Law and cease settlement in the West Bank, etc. Might have helped break the link between Israeli Government and antisemitism.
 
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