Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
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- Bugbrooke, Northants
I'd expect the sentencing remarks to be published but there's sometimes a delay while they're edited etc.
Liverpool parade car incident
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matticus
Legendary Member
This is ... a hell of a read: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd0kyr880mvo
spen666
Über Member
You are right you have missed the facts. Read the live reports of today's sentencing hearing. They tell a very different story to the leaked accounts between the incident and today
ebikeerwidnes
Senior Member
He was driving like a total maniac well before he reached the main crowds
Then claimed that he was scared and feared the crowd would kill him
and claimed he saw a crowd member with a knife
all of which was shown to be wrong
so basically he lied about the reasons as he was driving like that before there was a crowd to be scared of
All of which meant that his sentence was never going to be reduced from a long one
He did have some violent behaviour but he had been "clean" - at least in terms of legal proceedings - for 30 years - so the judge said he had not taken those into account
but given his behaviour on the day you have to think that more might come out over the next week or so and just didn't result in any court stuff
I didn;t expect his sentence to be as long as it is - but I think he deserves it
Then claimed that he was scared and feared the crowd would kill him
and claimed he saw a crowd member with a knife
all of which was shown to be wrong
so basically he lied about the reasons as he was driving like that before there was a crowd to be scared of
All of which meant that his sentence was never going to be reduced from a long one
He did have some violent behaviour but he had been "clean" - at least in terms of legal proceedings - for 30 years - so the judge said he had not taken those into account
but given his behaviour on the day you have to think that more might come out over the next week or so and just didn't result in any court stuff
I didn;t expect his sentence to be as long as it is - but I think he deserves it
spen666
Über Member
I think I said earlier he had pleaded to 100 offences. That is not correct. There were over 100 people injured, but he was charged only with a sample selection of 31 offences
• 17 counts of attempting to cause grievous bodily harm (GBH) with intent
• 9 counts of causing GBH with intent
• 3 counts of wounding with intent
• 1 count of dangerous driving
• 1 count of affray
the first 29 offences all have a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. I'm not sure why 3 were charged as wounding with intent and 9 as causing GBH with intent. They are different versions of same offence ( S18 Offences Against the Person Act). I presume it was something to do with injuries caused
The number of offences he pleaded guilty to and the number of people injured by his behaviour justify the sentence imposed
Beebo
Guru
The video shows absolutely awful driving.
He clearly didn’t care.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/clyd24ex3keo
He clearly didn’t care.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/clyd24ex3keo
icowden
Shaman
Along with the aggravating factors that he lied repeatedly and did not plead guilty at the earliest opportunity/.
spen666
Über Member
They are not considered aggravating factors. Sentences CANNOT be increased because of that. It can reduce credit for a guilty plea, but not being used to increase a sentence as it doesn't form part of offence.
The offence ended when he was arrested. The actions you describe whilst correct do not form part of the offending behaviour, so are not aggravating factors in terms of the sentencing procedure.
It may sound stupid, but there is a set procedure to decide sentence
icowden
Shaman
I thought that both of those had bearing on the length of time he must serve in prison though?
Yes, I'm aware. I just thought that perjuring yourself had a bearing on that.
C R
Guru
Wouldn't that be a separate offence, to be tried separately?
Beebo
Guru
The one thing that does look odd, is that actual murderers and people who have killed with a car have received far less severe sentences.
AndyRM
Elder Goth
It's a good point that I'd not really considered. Hm. Different sentencing guidelines perhaps?
spen666
Über Member
There is not a single case in English Law when someone convicted of murder got a lesser sentence. There is only 1 sentence available for the offence of murder and that is life imprisonment.
This person did not get life imprisonment, they got a determinate sentence
spen666
Über Member
Are you talking of "aggravating features" or of the length of a sentence. They are different things.
Actions after an offence cannot be aggravating features of that offence - by simple definition they are not part of the offence as they occur after the offence has been concluded.
His action may mean he is not given the same amount of credit on sentencing as he would have been, but that is very different from being an aggravating feature.
You need to look up the sentencing guidelines to see how they operate. Try this as a starting point. https://sentencingcouncil.org.uk/about-sentencing/how-sentencing-works/ They produce a lot of explanatory material to explain how the Sentencing Guidelines are applied. I wouldn't want to try to explain it as they do it better than me.
Aggravating features in relation to behaviour relate to the offending behaviour, not to behaviour after offending has ended
See my earlier comment -there is no perjury here. Where is the untrue sworn evidence. It is not perjury to lie to the police. A police interview is not evidence under oath
