Mason Greenwood

[winjim]

It's the modern version of Trial by Drowning.

So do the club consider him to be a rapist? There's little doubt that he has, in the words of the OP, 'misbehaved' at least. Is that what he requires rehabilitation from? Has he at least owned that misbehaviour?

I can see that even admitting and apologising for misbehaviour would be problematic as it would be seen as wholly inadequate but something bad did happen and he did play a part in it.

 

[matticus]

So do the club consider him to be a rapist? There's little doubt that he has, in the words of the OP, 'misbehaved' at least. Is that what he requires rehabilitation from? Has he at least owned that misbehaviour?

I can see that even admitting and apologising for misbehaviour would be problematic as it would be seen as wholly inadequate but something bad did happen and he did play a part in it.

The words I have boldened sum-up my "Witch Trial" comment. He can't win, whichever way he jumps, he drowns.

As for the other questions in your post - some of which are important - you're asking the wrong person, sorry; I don't have quick answers.

 

[theclaud]

The words I have boldened sum-up my "Witch Trial" comment. He can't win, whichever way he jumps, he drowns.

As for the other questions in your post - some of which are important - you're asking the wrong person, sorry; I don't have quick answers.

Did you type this Witch Trial stuff without irony?

 

[winjim]

The words I have boldened sum-up my "Witch Trial" comment. He can't win, whichever way he jumps, he drowns.

As for the other questions in your post - some of which are important - you're asking the wrong person, sorry; I don't have quick answers.

TBH I'm not particularly concerned about Goodwillie and whether he drowns or not, I'm interested in the response from the club, the teams, the sponsors and the supporters.

However, you have missed out in your bolding an important part of my sentence. I'm making a distinction between him apologising for rape, and apologising for 'misbehaviour' which may or may not include rape. The club obviously think he did something wrong, hence the statement regarding rehabilitation, but does he agree? If my prospective employer put out a statement like that, and I disagreed that I had done anything which required rehabilitation, then I don't think I would want to work for them.

I am aware that you don't have all the answers, these are largely rhetorical questions.

 

[newfhouse]

Raith Rovers have apologised for their decision to sign David Goodwillie, saying the controversial striker will not play for the club. The former Scotland international was ruled to be a rapist in a civil court case in 2017, although no criminal proceedings were instructed. In a statement, the club said: "We got it wrong. "In reaching our original decision, we focused far too much on football matters and not enough on what this decision would mean for our club and the community as a whole. "Over the past couple of days, we listened carefully to the fans who have got in touch and I'm very grateful for their honesty. As chairman, as a board and as a management team, we have all learned a hard but valuable lesson."

Sky News link.

 

[AndyRM]

That is a backpedal of epic proportions.

At least the club have done the correct thing, but what they thought they were doing in the first place is beyond me.

 

[mudsticks]

That is a backpedal of epic proportions.

At least the club have done the correct thing, but what they thought they were doing in the first place is beyond me.

Prioritising the football of course..

Perfectly reasonable behaviour.

 

[matticus]

I am aware that you don't have all the answers, these are largely rhetorical questions.

Well gosh, that's very understanding of you, thank-you!

 

[AndyRM]

Prioritising the football of course..

Perfectly reasonable behaviour.

Honestly, I don't know how the board can have thought they had the best interests of the club in mind when they decided to sign an unrepentant rapist.

 

[mudsticks]

Honestly, I don't know how the board can have thought they had the best interests of the club in mind when they decided to sign an unrepentant rapist.

Maybe they thought nobody would notice?

What with him being good at kicking balls, n all..??

I really have no idea

Who, if anyone, does he play for at the moment ??

 

[AndyRM]

Maybe they thought nobody would notice?

What with him being good at kicking balls, n all..??

I really have no idea

Who, if anyone, does he play for at the moment ??

Nobody. His career is over. Which will cost Raith a lot in the longer term.

He wasn't even particularly good at kicking a ball at a high level.

 

[mudsticks]

Nobody. His career is over. Which will cost Raith a lot in the longer term.

He wasn't even particularly good at kicking a ball at a high level.

Oh, which makes his signing all the more strange ...

Get me - talking about football ..

I think that'll do for now though.

 

[matticus]

However, you have missed out in your bolding an important part of my sentence.

p.s. you know perfectly well why I missed out that word, as would anyone else who has read the thread from p1! You can try to put words in my mouth, but it won't always work ...

 

[winjim]

p.s. you know perfectly well why I missed out that word, as would anyone else who has read the thread from p1! You can try to put words in my mouth, but it won't always work ...

If you're truly concerned about my putting words in your mouth, which I have no intention of doing, then I'd thank you not to alter the meaning of my posts by omission of key words. If you want to make a point which is unrelated to mine then feel free to do it without quoting me.

 

[matticus]

I'd thank you not to alter the meaning of my posts by omission of key words.

Are you accusing me of mis-quoting you??

We may need VAR for this!