Maureen Lipman: Cancel culture could wipe out comedy

[Cirrus]

Well, thems the breaks I guess..

And if we apply that to other groups?...

All the religious, ethnicity, gendered, sexual orientation, political tropes... Black people are this, Immigrants are that, Socialists are this, Homosexuals do that, Feminists are that, the Unemployed are, Disabled are... I guess they have to live with he consequences, the engineered public opinion - well, thems the breaks I guess..

 

[mudsticks]

And if we apply that to other groups?...

All the religious, ethnicity, gendered, sexual orientation, political tropes... Black people are this, Immigrants are that, Socialists are this, Homosexuals do that, Feminists are that, the Unemployed are, Disabled are... I guess they have to live with he consequences, the engineered public opinion - well, thems the breaks I guess..

Those things have already being happening for a long time - it just seems that some individuals don't like having it pointed out that that's what they're doing ..

It comes across as if you're arguing in bad faith - and are advocating for name calling and or stereotyping - but maybe that's not what you mean.

 

[Cirrus]

Those things have already being happening for a long time - it just seems that some individuals don't like having it pointed out that that's what they're doing ..

As I said previously:

Speaking up, challenging is fine, cancelling isn't, in my opinion.

It comes across as if you're arguing in bad faith - and are advocating for name calling and or stereotyping - but maybe that's not what you mean.

I'm advocating free speech from whatever part of the spectrum people reside, if people find what they say offensive then they should challenge it and not use engineered public opinion to shut them up... e.g. cancel culture

 

[mudsticks]

As I said previously:





I'm advocating free speech from whatever part of the spectrum people reside, if people find what they say offensive then they should challenge it and not use engineered public opinion to shut them up... e.g. cancel culture

Its a nice idea in theory , but that freedom is not possessed by all in equal measure - some start on the back foot, in terms of status and power - this must be remembered too..

Not everyone has the wherewithal, or confidence to do that challenging..

 

[Xipe Totec]

Not trying to 'cancel' the discussion but broadly I'm with Frankie on this one.


View: https://twitter.com/frankieboyle/status/1473780179398971395

 

[Ian H]

... engineered public opinion...

That's an interesting concept. How might it work?

 

[Cirrus]

That's an interesting concept. How might it work?

Well, am sure you can find examples but to help you:

 

[icowden]

And i suspect HP books are still selling well enough .
I don't for the record agree with anyone threatening JKR violence - if that whats happened .

Indeed. One of the reasons that JKR has been able to stick to her guns as it were, is that she is financially secure for life, can continue to write books and people will still read them. Maybe not all of the people who used to read them, but enough as makes no difference. You could argue that Emma Watson, Rupert Grint and Daniel Radcliffe are in the same position financially, but all of them are aware that their careers which have many years to go, could be ended if they say the wrong thing, thus their statements against JKR.

I doubt that she would have expected anything else.

I note that the Washington Post manages not to mention the role of the press in reinforcing cancel culture. They also seem to mix up people being "cancelled" for expressing a well argued opinion worthy of discussion with those "cancelled" for spreading harmful disinformation / lies. I am not sure that Mike Lindell, Adam Rubenstein, Tucker Carlson et al and Senator Josh Hawley really count.

 

[Ian H]

Well, am sure you can find examples but to help you:
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You're listing examples of propaganda by political groups. Has propaganda been renamed as 'cancelling'?

 

[matticus]

And i suspect HP books are still selling well enough .

And the Sondheim production? Do you think they should have cancelled that?
(Sorry to drag us back to Fab's original article.)

 

[the snail]

You're listing examples of propaganda by political groups. Has propaganda been renamed as 'cancelling'?

Yes, the whole argument of 'cancel culture' seems pretty muddled - propaganda is bad, but people must not be denied access to any platform in order to spread their propaganda?

 

[icowden]

And the Sondheim production? Do you think they should have cancelled that?
(Sorry to drag us back to Fab's original article.)

Clearly not. It was insane. They didn't read his interview or understand why he posted about Dave Chappelle (without expressing *any* opinion about it - just asking that people watch and share *their* opinions).

 

[Cirrus]

You're listing examples of propaganda by political groups. Has propaganda been renamed as 'cancelling'?

Perhaps stop sealioning and give us your thoughts on "cancel culture", who is impacted (if anyone in your opinion) and potentially your thoughs on freedom of speech/expression?

 

[Cirrus]

Its a nice idea in theory , but that freedom is not possessed by all in equal measure - some start on the back foot, in terms of status and power - this must be remembered too..

Not everyone has the wherewithal, or confidence to do that challenging..

Agree absolutely with all of that and support people challenging on behalf of those that struggle with a voice, what I don't agree with is leveling down e.g. removing someone else's voice.

 

[Rusty Nails]

You're listing examples of propaganda by political groups. Has propaganda been renamed as 'cancelling'?

In these days of Twitter, Snapchat, Facebook etc just about anyone with an opinion, whether good/bad, positive/negative, benign/malignant can find a ready audience for their views. The propaganda examples are old school and possibly less influential than social media is today.
Although I do not take the word "cancel" in a literal sense it is a phenomenon today in that people can be vilified and have their careers or livelihoods ruined because of actions or words from their past, or current, that are not related to those careers, but which are going against the views of many who have different views, plus access to platforms to share and promote their displeasure.
Other than views which actively, and possibly deliberately, encourage or foster hate or criminal intent I am generally in favour of freedom of speech, even when that gives offence, but I find it strange that even what I consider to be liberalism is increasingly treated illiberally.