Ian H
Legendary Member
I'm responding to your examples, which don't seem to show what you say they show.
Maureen Lipman: Cancel culture could wipe out comedy
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Cirrus
Active Member
As I said, try to contibute rather that sealion, you're not the ringmaster of this little circus so instead of asking for more and more like poor little Oliver give us your thoughts on the subject.
mudsticks
Squire
I'm still not 100% certain why they pulled it , was it because Terry Gilliam recommended someone else's show??
Who's voice has actually been 'removed' though.??
Just muted a bit perhaps, yes, but not deleted ?
For all we know, they'll get larger audiences elsewhere.
Fwiw I think Maureen is panicking a bit over the demise of comedy, there's loads of good stuff out there.
Maybe she's just a bit concerned that her particular brand is not to everyones taste..
After all, in many ways comedy thrives in difficult times.
Although with our current crop of 'politicians' having taken the lampooning back in-house , I'd imagine many satirists do fear for their jobs..
As a humorous interlude, and as a brief burst of levity in our serious maunderings..
I offer you, the inimitable.
First dawg on the moon..
Raised a titter from me anyhows, and somewhat references what someone in the article said, about wait til the present generation has another generation, I do feel a tad like aunty penguin now and again .. 🐧😇
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/series/first-dog-on-the-moon
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farfromtheland
Regular AND Goofy
As I recall, those propaganga images were posted as examples of engineering public opinion rather than of cancelling as such. The question of the role of this engineering, providing an envronment where cancelling is a more correct response than debate is a good one
Dave Chapelle's experience with Netflix is less important to me than the knee jerk responses of some of his critics. He is an individual, yet already established enough to defend himself. Comedy is not and never can be a sincure.
The argument that people new to public speaking might be deterred by ingrained attitudes of prejudice is not straighforward. One one hand nastiness disguised as banter is vile. Conversely situations also arise where public opinion dictates a subject is closed for discussion - as in the trans-activist/'terf' polarity. Reasoned debate has been the casualty.
Dave Chapelle's experience with Netflix is less important to me than the knee jerk responses of some of his critics. He is an individual, yet already established enough to defend himself. Comedy is not and never can be a sincure.
The argument that people new to public speaking might be deterred by ingrained attitudes of prejudice is not straighforward. One one hand nastiness disguised as banter is vile. Conversely situations also arise where public opinion dictates a subject is closed for discussion - as in the trans-activist/'terf' polarity. Reasoned debate has been the casualty.
Cirrus
Active Member
Muted, gagged, silenced.. . I don't really think it matters, they are either impacted directly, not booked by venues due to pressure, or self censor for fear of being dropped, not booked etc. So some people will find a voice but at the expense of others.
My view is that both should have a voice
the snail
Active Member
I think if you are in the entertainment business, and you adopt a controversial approach, dealing with contentious issues, then you will limit your employment options. That has always been the case, and there are probably more comedians selling their acts based on being edgy/controversial than ever. You would have to be pretty naive to start talking about trans issues, brexit, veganism etc. and be surprised when some people get upset, and some venues think twice about hiring you.
mudsticks
Squire
We all self censor though don't we, depending on circs, unless we're sociopaths ??
Some have done that, far more than others, in the past.
Historically the marginalised have had to self censor enormously, even to be allowed to get away with existing, in the face of homophobia, transphobia, sexism, racism and so on..
I think to a certain extent what we might think of as the 'mainstream' are somewhat offended by these groups no longer feeling the need to apologise for existing, and instead having the cheek to be fully rounded vocal people, not just some tokenised stereotype.
Democratisation of voice has come about to a certain extent via SocMed .
Yes all should be 'allowed' to exist and have voice, in principal.
But there's still a lot of marginalised voices we don't ever get to hear though..
Still a lot of need to amplify the unheard, not worry so much about the supposed 'cancelling' of 'the old guard' they're not going anywhere.
Anyhow this is about 'comedy' right, a notoriously difficult thing to pin down..
And I am going somewhere..
mudsticks
Squire
And equally well, in other places you may well get more bookings on the basis of being 'edgy'..
Pretty much sure it was ever thus..
Cirrus
Active Member
But should we have these sacred cows, subjects that people are scared of bringing up, be that in comedic or other setting.
What if making fun of, highlighting poor behaviour of the government becomes one of those sacred cows?
newfhouse
pleb
The existence of this separate sub-forum proves that there are topics that scare people.
farfromtheland
Regular AND Goofy
Double-edged sword. IngSoc scares me rather.
qigong chimp
Settler of gobby hash.
'Cancel culture' may not be the end of comedy, but we can hope.
OP
OP
Fab Foodie
Guru
This thread is a good reminder that I must decide soon who to add to my ignore list for 2022....
matticus
Guru
I'm not for a second suggesting you're racist, but this statement is entirely predicated on Maureen holding the same views as her fellow Jews.
This really is as plain as day!
Cirrus
Active Member
Soz...
