Mike Amesbury MP

[matticus]

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b) maybe a fine is not an appropriate punishment for speeding, maybe we should have a life time driving ban and/or car crushed?

If we follow your "danger to the public" line above, then any speeding driver should be incarcerated (to prevent them accessing a motor car).
I think you know this is ridiculous, so until you care to put forward a more rational argument (about Amesbusry), I'll assume that your trolling isn't worth any further engagement.

 

[monkers]

Has Amesbury been caught speeding as well?

a) I suppose, it depends how big the fine is, relative to your income

b) maybe a fine is not an appropriate punishment for speeding, maybe we should have a life time driving ban and/or car crushed?

just maybe treat speeders and thugs the same as football hooligans?


View: https://youtu.be/04clpd7h0b0

 

[BoldonLad]

If we follow your "danger to the public" line above, then any speeding driver should be incarcerated (to prevent them accessing a motor car).
I think you know this is ridiculous, so until you care to put forward a more rational argument (about Amesbusry), I'll assume that your trolling isn't worth any further engagement.

Wasn’t me who introduced speeding into the thread 😀

I have expressed my view on Amesbury’s original sentence and why, further up the thread.

 

[Ian H]

Wasn’t me who introduced speeding into the thread 😀

I have expressed my view on Amesbury’s original sentence and why, further up the thread.

It must be hard work, missing the point that comprehensively.

 

[Psamathe]

As much as there is a strong argument that Amesbury should do some time, there is little benefit to us wasting taxpayers money to keep him in a prison when it's cheaper to give him a curfew and an ankle tag. He still gets the criminal record, but he isn't a danger to the public.

In many respects I view what he ended-up with as worse punishment than a brief spell in prison. I'm sure prison would be truly horrendous but he'd not have been there for long after which his life is his own again (all be that with a criminal record). But was it 200 hrs community service, anger management course, and suspended (so any more convictions for anything and the original sentence is reactivated), etc. And things like community service means there is hopefully benefit to the community rather than just a bill for keeping him in prison.

Ian

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

In many respects I view what he ended-up with as worse punishment than a brief spell in prison. I'm sure prison would be truly horrendous but he'd not have been there for long after which his life is his own again (all be that with a criminal record). But was it 200 hrs community service, anger management course, and suspended (so any more convictions for anything and the original sentence is reactivated), etc. And things like community service means there is hopefully benefit to the community rather than just a bill for keeping him in prison.

Ian

Wonder what he will be doing for community service??

There is a lot of rubbish along some of the canal banks in his constituancy - it would be appropriate for him to clear up some of that

or maybe tackling fly tipping

but I reckon it will be something indoors so he can be protected from possible assault
like what he did to someone else!

 

[craigwend]

Wonder what he will be doing for community service??

There is a lot of rubbish along some of the canal banks in his constituancy - it would be appropriate for him to clear up some of that

or maybe tackling fly tipping

but I reckon it will be something indoors so he can be protected from possible assault
like what he did to someone else!

Few years ago spoke to a lady who was part of the paid team that actually worked with 'offenders' on community projects etc. She said there used to be 2 or 3 paid staff, it had dropped down to one (her), the amount of tools supplied was less than one a per person, so bored / angry offenders, little got done, the offences (whe she did know) had got more dangerous with offences they had committed, she was looking for a new job as she no longer felt safe...

 

[AuroraSaab]

Wonder what he will be doing for community service??

There is a lot of rubbish along some of the canal banks in his constituancy - it would be appropriate for him to clear up some of that

or maybe tackling fly tipping

but I reckon it will be something indoors so he can be protected from possible assault
like what he did to someone else!

Answering phones, sorting junk, doing admin in a charity, or similar. As you say, they won't put him in a customer facing job or litter picking because his solicitor will argue it will expose him to abuse or humiliation.

 

[spen666]

This is clear two tier justice. Everyone can see it. This is Yvette cooper just a couple of days ago

Saying labour are not tolerating violent thugs . That lasted a matter of hours.

Complete nonsense.

The Judiciary deal with sentencing , not the government

 

[spen666]

In many respects I view what he ended-up with as worse punishment than a brief spell in prison. I'm sure prison would be truly horrendous but he'd not have been there for long after which his life is his own again (all be that with a criminal record). But was it 200 hrs community service, anger management course, and suspended (so any more convictions for anything and the original sentence is reactivated), etc. And things like community service means there is hopefully benefit to the community rather than just a bill for keeping him in prison.

Ian

A conviction for a non imprisonable offence wouldn't result in suspended sentence being activated

 

[monkers]

The former MP Mike Amesbury.


He's quit. Byelection rqd.

 

[multitool]

He won with about 22k votes against 6k Reform and 6k Tories.

Don't see Labour losing it tbh.

 

[monkers]

He won with about 22k votes against 6k Reform and 6k Tories.

Don't see Labour losing it tbh.

There's two people with revenge on their minds looking for a way back in. People might be surprised to see the names Johnson and/or Lowe on the ballot paper, but Trump provides the example of just how far a vengeful person can be prepared to go. I won't doubt that either or both of them can find a very rich donor to back them.

 

[Ian H]

He won with about 22k votes against 6k Reform and 6k Tories.

Don't see Labour losing it tbh.

AJP Taylor was of the opinion that by-elections were simply an opportunity for people to protest vote and that, come a general election, they would always return to their senses.

 

[All uphill]

There's two people with revenge on their minds looking for a way back in. People might be surprised to see the names Johnson and/or Lowe on the ballot paper, but Trump provides the example of just how far a vengeful person can be prepared to go. I won't doubt that either or both of them can find a very rich donor to back them.

An opportunity for Truss?