Pale Rider
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Not seen that, I'd be interested in a link.
No worries if there's not one, I believe what you say.
The Blair thing rings a vague bell, can't recall if anything came of it.
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Not seen that, I'd be interested in a link.
No worries if there's not one, I believe what you say.
The Blair thing rings a vague bell, can't recall if anything came of it.
mudsticks
Squire
And where did I say JSO should be excused from complying from with laws.?
I think it's your reading comprehension that is muddled.
Which means that your projected air of lofty intellectual superiority, is highly misplaced.
Protestors know very well that they risk being prosecuted if they break the law, and they are prepared for that.
And there are lawyers of conscience prepared to defend them too.
Of course increasingly authoritarian anti-democracy, anti-protest 'governments' will seek to shift the goal posts on what constitutes a 'lawful protest ' to suit their own.populist ends.
They spout claptrap about 'upholding the democratic right to protest' all whilst undermining it, whenever they can.
Some of us are not so dumb as to not to see that happening, and we resist that also.
Meanwhile professionals who are involved in the law are fighting on other fronts.
https://goodlawproject.org/news/
https://www.clientearth.org/
I think they're intelligent committed people doing a good job in trying circumstances, and applaud their work.
Of course, other dull witted sorts, who are less bothered about natural and social justice, will with tedious regularity, dismiss them as 'Lefty Lawyers' 🙄
Rusty Nails
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I've just heard that one of those JSO protesters is being charged with 'going over the barrier at a Dippy The Diplodocus' exhibition.
Are there no depths they will not sink to? They should lock the bastard up and throw away the key.
Are there no depths they will not sink to? They should lock the bastard up and throw away the key.
mudsticks
Squire
Doubtless trying to save poor dippy dino from being squashed under layers of sedimentary rocks, only to then be dug up several millions of years later to power some pointless cock rocket or other.. 🙄
Bromptonaut
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Irritatingly, I cannot find a link but I'm sure I heard it discussed on the radio earlier today.
As to the Blair era thing it was while I was working with the MoJ. We had a meeting with some policy chaps who were working on that and some other projects to do with Tribunals in which we had an interest.
I cracked the joke about sentenced before sober with them; was asked if I was a stooge for Judges who'd raised it as a serious concern.
Rusty Nails
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I thought that their Dippy the Diplodocus protest was the lowest, but now they've gone a step too far...halting the Cycling World Championship road race.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/spor...ld-championships-road-race-halted-protesters/
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Surely you don't take GB news seriously Paley ?
Pale Rider
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It has nothing to do with GB News or Greenpeace really.
The thrust of the argument was go protest China.
Targeting the most polluting country in the world makes some sense.
But while we're at it, we may as well include India, America, Japan and the Commies.
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Except for the fact it's some numpty from GB news in Greenpeace HQ ?
I take your point but Greenpeace campaign all over the world.
matticus
Guru
This is really a straw man, as JSO protestors have frequently shown willingness to suffer prison sentences for their cause. (They've also show willingness to be assaulted in plain view on busy London streets, which I'm sure you admire them for.)
Meanwhile, I expect you are aware that judges do on occasion allow "just cause" as a reason to assess protestors as "Not Guilty".
You have better knowledge of precedence than me, so I'll leave you to find the specific cases. You can even correct me on every jargon term if you like!
Pale Rider
Veteran
Indeed, which was their answer.
Honour is satisfied on both sides and the viewer can make up their own mind.
I've never heard of judges assessing protesters on the worthiness of their cause.
Also worth bearing in mind that in the crown court a judge cannot find you not guilty - or guilty of anything.
A jury does that, or you are convicted by your plea.
The QE bridge punters either stood trial or pleaded guilty.
The judge's only role is pass the appropriate sentence, although they were quick enough to launch a (failed) appeal.
Seems to me they thoroughly underestimated the seriousness of their fending.
A year or two in the big house should give them enough time to reflect.
matticus
Guru
[ I suspect the pedantry has started - which is your role in matters legal, do please carry on! ]
So to be clear - has "worthiness of cause" never influenced the outcome of a UK court case?
Pale Rider
Veteran
The reply that a judge does not find you not guilty is hardly pedantry since you were suggesting judges do decide verdicts.
It's an alien concept to me, but I suppose it's inevitable some juries may have found a defendant not guilty, or even guilty, for reasons other than the evidence.
matticus
Guru
I think they're supposed to consider the law as well? Have I got that right?