Normal Island

[matticus]

Don't forget this is 'Normal Island' 👍🏼

Not the climate change or JSO thread .

err ... and ... ??

I checked the OP - pretty much none of the posts I'm seeing match Claud's original rubric! But I may have misunderstood ...

 

[mudsticks]

Well whatever goes on here it's 'Normal Island' right??

It kicked off because a film was posted of someone from GBeebies making an idiot of themselves at Greenpeace HQ.

It was never about CC it was about the usual suspects being craven numpties.

But carry on anyhows 👍🏼🌈

Further planting to do 🌱🌱🌱🌱🌱🌳🌳🌱🌱🌱

 

[newfhouse]

Once you've got it out of your system, try to have a grown-up discussion about the environment.

With who?

 

[BoldonLad]

You seem to be saying that countries which pollute more simply because they are larger should do more than smaller countries (which may pollute more per capita but overall have less effect simply because of their size).

So Canada for example can pollute as much as it wants because its population is a tiny fraction of China's.

The flaw in that argument is that small countries together add up to a substantial percentage of the world population.

I haven't noticed any post suggesting that ANY country should be allowed or encouraged to pollute "as much as it wants".

If we wish to continue the self-flagellation, then, yes, we should reduce our carbon emissions so that they are negative, to atone for our past sins, but, if the objective is to limit or even reverse Climate Change, surely the first strategies to apply are:

- tackle the "low hanging fruit"

- go for the old 80/20 approach and attempt to make significant inroads into the 80%. That does not mean ignoring the 20%, although it may be difficult for men, it is, usually, quite possible to undertake more than one task simultaneously

 

[BoldonLad]

With who?

With the other "grownup(s)" on here?, or, are you the only one?

 

[matticus]

- tackle the "low hanging fruit"

- go for the old 80/20 approach and attempt to make significant inroads into the 80%. That does not mean ignoring the 20%, although it may be difficult for men, it is, usually, quite possible to undertake more than one task simultaneously

If I may extend this analogy somewhat:
- fruit may be low-hanging, but if it's two continents away it must be a lot harder to pick, no?
- if someone shows you how to (easily) pick the fruit in your own garden, please don't tell them to "Bog off until you show someone a thousand miles away how to pick their fruit."

Sensible, no?

 

[BoldonLad]

If I may extend this analogy somewhat:
- fruit may be low-hanging, but if it's two continents away it must be a lot harder to pick, no?
- if someone shows you how to (easily) pick the fruit in your own garden, please don't tell them to "Bog off until you show someone a thousand miles away how to pick their fruit."

Sensible, no?

I didn't say anyone should tell anyone to "bog off'.

The "technique" of first tackling the low hanging fruit, and looking at the old 80/20 rule is universal. It was even suggested in one of the Asylum/Immigration threads (sensibly in my view) to reduce the enormous backlog of Asylum applications.

 

[matticus]

- go for the old 80/20 approach and attempt to make significant inroads into the 80%. That does not mean ignoring the 20%, although it may be difficult for men, it is, usually, quite possible to undertake more than one task simultaneously

So I have 2 questions:
- are you actually for tackling "the 20%", as you put it? That's what "not ignoring" means, yes? Or would you rather bang on about larger countries, while we do nothing?
- what ARE you doing about that lovely juicy 80%? If it's so low-hanging, have you nearly grabbed it? I'd love to hear of your successes!

 

[BoldonLad]

So I have 2 questions:
- are you actually for tackling "the 20%", as you put it? That's what "not ignoring" means, yes? Or would you rather bang on about larger countries, while we do nothing?
- what ARE you doing about that lovely juicy 80%? If it's so low-hanging, have you nearly grabbed it? I'd love to hear of your successes!

1. Yes, I am "for" tackling ALL of it

2. I am not a Government, I am an individual. But, (not in any particular order of importance) I have insulated my house, had a smart meter installed, haven't flown in the last 15 years at least, reduced car mileage down to 3000/year, not voted Conservative... probably more things, but....

What have you done?, is it a competition?

 

[Ian H]

I haven't noticed any post suggesting that ANY country should be allowed or encouraged to pollute "as much as it wants".

Who are you quoting? Cos it ain't me.

 

[newfhouse]

With the other "grownup(s)" on here?, or, are you the only one?

The implication was that I/we shouldn't waste time here agreeing with our fellow travellers (circle jerking) but instead put more effort into discussions with grown-ups with whom I/we disagree. This does rather rely on them discussing in good faith, I think.

 

[BoldonLad]

Who are you quoting? Cos it ain't me.

I quoted your post. Bolded a line. unless there is a bug in the forum software, I don't understand your question

 

[BoldonLad]

The implication was that I/we shouldn't waste time here agreeing with our fellow travellers (circle jerking) but instead put more effort into discussions with grown-ups with whom I/we disagree. This does rather rely on them discussing in good faith, I think.

Just to clarify, does that mean the only "grown-ups" are those who agree with you (on climate change, and what to do about it)?

 

[newfhouse]

Just to clarify, does that mean the only "grown-ups" are those who agree with you (on climate change, and what to do about it)?

No, it doesn't mean that.

 

[BoldonLad]

No, it doesn't mean that.

OK