winjim
Welcome yourself into the new modern crisis
Corbyn could have been Prime Minister if only the Lib Dems had helped him win...
North Shropshire
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winjim
Welcome yourself into the new modern crisis
Did you and your brother ever call for an election that pretty much everybody else agreed you couldn't win?
newfhouse
pleb
They did, didn’t they?
newfhouse
pleb
Sorry, I was mostly making a tangential point about the effectiveness of handing out violence to children.
Mugshot
Über Member
I don't know.
I thought the issue was that Corbyn was not prepared to have anyone other than the leader of the opposition as a caretaker PM, not that the Tories prevented Clarke, or whoever from doing it.
D
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Or Lib Dems were used by the Tories for austerity then spat out again...
I mean I'm allways happy when the Tories lose,but I'd no sooner vote Lib Dem than Lozza ! Feck em both as far as I'm concerned.
Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
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Constitutionally the position after a Government falls is that the leader of the next largest party tries to form a Government. Corbyn was unlikely to command the necessary majority but seemed insistent on having a go. Swinson wasn't prepared to facilitate him having a go and then decided to support an election.
There were several possible leaders including Clarke, who by that time had been defenestrated from the Tory party, or Dominic Grieve. I'm sure there were Labour people too who had no PM/leadership ambition.
Swinson bears a heavy responsibility for the mess we're in now.
FishFright
Well-Known Member
That was never true but the right of the party made sure it hit the media.
Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
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Do you seriously dispute that people like Steve Baker, Steven Brine and Joy Morrisey are hard right?
D
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I'm guessing it's what you define as hard right...the likes of Baker are more of a god bothering prick than hard right to me.Even the buffoon himself Johnson,he'll be whatever it takes.
Bit like saying Corbyns Labour were hard left,when in reality they were anything but.
FishFright
Well-Known Member
Maybe you should have used the more acceptable term for such people .. Dangerous Lunatics
D
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I prefer his real title....
Steve "hardman of Brexit" Baker.
Pale Rider
Veteran
Absolutely, they are lily livered wusses if we are chucking terms like 'hard right' around.
At least Ed Davey didn't tell his supporters to 'get back to your constituencies and prepare for government'.
PaulB
Active Member
Never trust a man who combs his hair with a balloon!
Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
- Location
- Bugbrooke, Northants
No. Hindsight is of course in play. Major was a vast improvement on Thatcher and achieved things like sorting out street homelessness that lead to a camp of tents and 'benders' in Lincolns Inn Fields. He had his 'bastards' on the back benches to deal with and was pretty ruthless.
Some of his Ministers, particularly Tony Newton who I worked with in a later role, were good people. DLA replacing Attendance Allowance for the under 65s was a wholly good reform undone by Cameron and the abomination that is PIP.
The alternative to May was Leadsom; need I say more.
