Oh no!! Brexit not going quite as well as hoped

[BoldonLad]

Judging by the way he 'writes' he probably does but please don't have a go at the simpleton for that.

If you wish to be insulting, please, don't quote my posts to make your "little jokes"

 

[Craig the cyclist]

Craig, many people as they grow older, change their opinions. They learn more about the world around them and the people they interact with. They learn more about politics and how it affects them. Equally more young people are growing up and becoming adults with access to massive amounts of information.

It's called living and learning. Very few people are stuck in their ways and unable to learn or change. These people will of course almost certainly vote the same way. Not everyone is this close minded.

A good illustration of how people change in their thinking is illustrated by the fact that the Councils in Westminster and Wandsworth are now no longer run by the Conservatives. Do you think that:-

a) All the Tories moved out and are now living in Hampshire
b) Many Tories looked at the state of the ruling party and what they have done to the country and could no longer stomach voting for that party.

If you think (a), then I suspect you may be deluded. If you think (b) then you acknowledge that people can change their minds about a topic.

You realise that only works if you think that the 2011 referendum was voted on by young people? Or do you think only the current crop of young people can live and learn?

 

[icowden]

You realise that only works if you think that the 2011 referendum was voted on by young people? Or do you think only the current crop of young people can live and learn?

Can you please try and absorb the entire post before replying? It would make life so much easier. I'll try again using smaller words...

This is what I said

Craig, many people as they grow older, change their opinions. They learn more about the world around them and the people they interact with. They learn more about politics and how it affects them. Equally more young people are growing up and becoming adults with access to massive amounts of information.

Translation:
Older people change their views. New batches of young people are able to vote every year. The way that they vote is coloured by their knowledge of world events which has massively increased (you missed the very important last 7 words I think).

Explainer:
Since 2011, the UK Government has enacted a policy of great harm to the United Kingdom, destroying its international trade and disenfranchising a huge number of citizens. This has significantly affected young people who are no longer allowed the simple freedom to work and study in 27 countries, who will see their quality of life deteriorate and their parents face significant lifestyle challenges as food rapidly becomes more expensive. Food bank usage has increased from around 120,000 users in 2011 to over 2.5 million users this year.

In addition the UK Government failed to listen to youngsters who were increasingly engaged in environmental activism and who want a planet to grow up on. That failure to act on the ecological movement has caused an increased reliance on Russia for fuel, and the loss of Ukraine as a manufacturer and supplied of key crops such as sunflower oil also adversely affected food prices.

Additionally since 2011 young people have had massively increased access to information about the world, ecology and politics. They are much more aware of the inequalities that exist thanks to the massive increase in social media. Smartphones were still in their infancy in 2011. Twitter was not yet a phenomenon. Tiktok did not exist.

It is not unreasonable to make the assumption that were a new referendum to be held, the views of younger people might be very different to those held in 2011, when young people would most likely do what their parents did.

 

[qigong chimp]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-cant-recall-a-government-so-devoid-of-a-plan

 

[Deleted member 49]

Brexit is a disaster under this goverment.But it won them a election and its not like they had anything else to offer But if anyone thinks reversing it or trying to is a vote winner I think there mistaken.Were not rejoining anytime soon.Very few people I know who voted leave would change there mind,no matter if it's self harm or not.

 

[Fab Foodie]

So much to love about Scotland..

I'd live there in half a heartbeat, if it wasn't for the short growing season.

When did they start growing shorts?

Sure you haven't misheard 'turn-ups' for turnips?

 

[icowden]

Brexit is a disaster under this goverment.But it won them a election and its not like they had anything else to offer But if anyone thinks reversing it or trying to is a vote winner I think there mistaken.Were not rejoining anytime soon.Very few people I know who voted leave would change there mind,no matter if it's self harm or not.

I suspect that if a liberal alliance win at the next election, serious consideration will be given to rejoining the single market. It is very clear that there is absolutely no benefit to *not* being a part of it and that our standing and trade has been massively compromised by leaving.

Any responsible chancellor worth less than 500 million would see this and act. I'd also like to see some windfall taxation on Shell and BP.

 

[Deleted member 49]

I suspect that if a liberal alliance win at the next election, serious consideration will be given to rejoining the single market. It is very clear that there is absolutely no benefit to *not* being a part of it and that our standing and trade has been massively compromised by leaving.

You'd hope so.

Any responsible chancellor worth less than 500 million would see this and act. I'd also like to see some windfall taxation on Shell and BP.

What with Starmer and Davey lol ..I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[Tanis8472]

Winning

https://www.cityam.com/eu-membershi...-nhs-cash-brexit-costs-britain-173m-per-week/

 

[Fab Foodie]

Winning

https://www.cityam.com/eu-membershi...-nhs-cash-brexit-costs-britain-173m-per-week/

Holy cow!

Yeah, but that's just project fear again innit....

 

[Mugshot]

Nice to see the DUP and the Government threatening to pull out of the Brexit agreement over the NI protocol cos it's utter bollocks.
They're going to be so mad when they find out who voted for it!!

 

[Deleted member 49]

Nice to see the DUP and the Government threatening to pull out of the Brexit agreement over the NI protocol cos it's utter bollocks.
They're going to be so mad when they find out who voted for it!!

Could it be one of the only benefits of Brexit....it's worked out well for voting in N Ireland with people actually getting out to vote.The irony for the DUP is they wanted the polar opposite, a hard border and closer alignment with Great Britian. They went all-in and got their arse burnt

 

[Mugshot]

Could it be one of the only benefits of Brexit....it's worked out well for voting in N Ireland with people actually getting out to vote.The irony for the DUP is they wanted the polar opposite, a hard border and closer alignment with Great Britian. They went all-in and got their arse burnt

It could be yes.
I find it absolutely staggering that the DUP did not see this coming a mile off, NI was always going to be a huge issue due to the border. You can forgive average Joe for not seeing it, but the farking DUP missing it, supporting Brexit, then crawling into bed with the Tories, voting against May cos the of the Irish Sea border, then getting totally shafted by Johnson, quite remarkably and laughably inept. I'm delighted they're paying for it now.

 

[Deleted member 49]

Seems like Brexit could almost benefit everyone....with the exception of the English 🙄

 

[Mugshot]

Could it be one of the only benefits of Brexit....it's worked out well for voting in N Ireland with people actually getting out to vote.The irony for the DUP is they wanted the polar opposite, a hard border and closer alignment with Great Britian. They went all-in and got their arse burnt

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