Oh no!! Brexit not going quite as well as hoped

[mudsticks]

No, Scotland, which has used STV in cooncil elections since 2007. I think the Welsh are still on FPTP.

So much to love about Scotland..

I'd live there in half a heartbeat, if it wasn't for the short growing season.

 

[qigong chimp]

So much to love about Scotland..

I'd live there in half a heartbeat, if it wasn't for the short growing season.

You're fully grown by now, surely?

 

[mudsticks]

You're fully grown by now, surely?

Quite tall yes .

But 'grown up'.

Hmmn, opinion is somewhat divided on that .

 

[Bromptonaut]

If the Lib Dems screwed up their choice of system and picked one which would not be acceptable is not something that can be laid at the door of Boris Johnson is it?

Nick Clegg had his chance, he messed up by choosing the most complicated. The he raised tuition fees now he works for Facebook, he did well eh? From ultra-democrat to ultra-privacy invader in 10 short years

The option of AV didn't appear out of the blue. It was suggested by the Jenkins review albeit topped up by 'list members' constituting around 15% of the Commons. Compared with, say, STV it's actually quite simple.

There's a limit to what the junior partner in a coalition can demand and removing tuition fees was too much for the Tories. AV was as far as they'd go in electoral reform and then subject to a referendum. After the 2010 election the markets were getting jittery about the lack of a government and Clegg hadn't the time for brinkmanship or the sort of long term negotiations that characterise the formation of a government in, say, Germany. Neither were our politicians, as emerged again in late 2019, willing to work across the aisle; it's too inimical to the Westminster culture.

During the pre-referendum the Tories cynically broke commitments not to campaign against AV. As with Brexit the right wing media laid in with lies and misinformation about AV.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Quite tall yes .

But 'grown up'.

Hmmn, opinion is somewhat divided on that .

Please, no LHG photos or I'll end up having to have yet another visit to Bristol!

(Bristol councillors: 24% Green, 24% Labour, 14% Conservative, 8% Lib-Dem - figures from 2021 election)

 

[mudsticks]

Please, no LHG photos or I'll end up having to have yet another visit to Bristol!

(Bristol councillors: 24% Green, 24% Labour, 14% Conservative, 8% Lib-Dem - figures from 2021 election)

LHG??

This isn't Bristol, but yes Bristol is pretty ace .

I mean it must be - it produced me after all 🙂💚💜

Ah yeah .Durr, it only says it on the beermat eejjit 😋

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

LHG??

This isn't Bristol, but yes Bristol is pretty ace .

I mean it must be - it produced me after all 🙂💚💜

Ah yeah .Durr, it only says it on the beermat eejjit 😋

LHG = Left Handed Giant

 

[mudsticks]

LHG = Left Handed Giant

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Yup I get it now..😊

Tbh I'm not even sure if that's what I was drinking yesterday, whatever it was it was very nice..

Served by a 'very nice young man' too 😇

 

[Mr Celine]

So much to love about Scotland..

I'd live there in half a heartbeat, if it wasn't for the short growing season.

Evidence of the short growing season.

Or it could be that like other tories he has a 'hobby' that stunted his growth.

 

[mudsticks]

Evidence of the short growing season.

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Or it could be that like other tories he has a 'hobby' that stunted his growth.

Naughty naughty heightist...😇

And as someone else, somewhere else, hinted ...
Maybe, better that Tories spend as much time as possible 'self pleasuring' so as to keep their sticky fingers out of politicking..

 

[winjim]

So it isn't that we can't get our tiny brainiums around it, it's that we don't want it

They all end the same way) and are happy to walk in to a small booth every 5 years or so, put a cross where they pretty much always do until they fancy a change and are down the pub 4 minutes later.

If they have to think about it more than that, then bollocks, they can't be arsed.

What?

 

[mudsticks]

What?

Schrödinger's political engagement.. 🤔

 

[winjim]

Schrödinger's political engagement.. 🤔

It is and it isn't

 

[Craig the cyclist]

What?

What don't you understand? Let me explain it to you

 

[icowden]

11 years ago, 68% of people said no to a change in the voting system.

Craig, many people as they grow older, change their opinions. They learn more about the world around them and the people they interact with. They learn more about politics and how it affects them. Equally more young people are growing up and becoming adults with access to massive amounts of information.

It's called living and learning. Very few people are stuck in their ways and unable to learn or change. These people will of course almost certainly vote the same way. Not everyone is this close minded.

A good illustration of how people change in their thinking is illustrated by the fact that the Councils in Westminster and Wandsworth are now no longer run by the Conservatives. Do you think that:-

a) All the Tories moved out and are now living in Hampshire
b) Many Tories looked at the state of the ruling party and what they have done to the country and could no longer stomach voting for that party.

If you think (a), then I suspect you may be deluded. If you think (b) then you acknowledge that people can change their minds about a topic.