Oh no!! Brexit not going quite as well as hoped

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People that think Brexit was the right choice down to 35% now, lowest yet. Meanwhile...


View: https://twitter.com/PennyMordaunt/status/1548593906257989633?t=-HYSoYXt8MqtgE-ikumz2A&s=19


You wonder when the rest of the leave voters are going to twig that they're being strung along.

 

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Mordaunt says at the end of this clip “Its like 2016 all over again”, I assume she means that, as demonstrated during that interview, they just keep lying, over and over again.


View: https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1548599777285361665?s=20&t=l-AyCuKmtrvvtpbwDU_rcQ

 

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Makes sense. If they cruised to an 80-seat majority on the back of the sheer genius of GET BREXIT DONE!!! then it's entirely reasonable the best way to go into the next election - and probably double that majority - will be GET MORE BREXIT DONE SOME MORE!!!

Winners keep on winning. 👍

View: https://twitter.com/PennyMordaunt/status/1548593906257989633?s=20


Told you, didn't I?

 

[Rusty Nails]

People that think Brexit was the right choice down to 35% now, lowest yet. Meanwhile...
You wonder when the rest of the leave voters are going to twig that they're being strung along.

If those poll figures are anything like reliable then it should not be an electoral disadvantage for Starmer to set out firmer policies to improve relationships and trade links with the EU, rather than treating them as the enemy like too many Tories still do.

There is a large list of referendum promises broken by the Tories and it should be a gift for an effective campaign to be run showing that people were conned and sold a tissue of lies about the benefits of Brexit.

 

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If those poll figures are anything like reliable then it should not be an electoral disadvantage for Starmer to set out firmer policies to improve relationships and trade links with the EU, rather than treating them as the enemy like too many Tories still do.

There is a large list of referendum promises broken by the Tories and it should be a gift for an effective campaign to be run showing that people were conned and sold a tissue of lies about the benefits of Brexit.

I don’t disagree, but I suppose it depends on the spread, FPTP means a party receiving a minority of the votes generally gets in, with of course a landslide last time.
I’d imagine that for labour to start talking about any softening of Brexit which could be spun as rejoin would be manna for the Tories.

 

[Bromptonaut]

I don’t disagree, but I suppose it depends on the spread, FPTP means a party receiving a minority of the votes generally gets in, with of course a landslide last time.
I’d imagine that for labour to start talking about any softening of Brexit which could be spun as rejoin would be manna for the Tories.

Absolutely.

"That Starmer's going to steal your Brexit" would be a gift for the Tories in Red Wall seats.

 

[icowden]

"That Starmer's going to steal your Brexit" would be a gift for the Tories in Red Wall seats.

But also a gift for Labour supporters in red wall seats of which there are usually more.

 

[BoldonLad]

Absolutely.

"That Starmer's going to steal your Brexit" would be a gift for the Tories in Red Wall seats.

Agree 100%, unless he (Starmer) could get through to his potential supporters, on the subject of the EU.

The area I live, was a resounding "leave". Almost all of my relations, friends, acquaintances, voted "leave". Now, although they do grumble about some of the consequences (supported with an "I told you so" from me), the basic reason(s) they voted "Leave" have not gone away, so, there is no way they would support anything that looked like a "rejoin", or, even a "cosy upto".

 

[Rusty Nails]

Agree 100%, unless he (Starmer) could get through to his potential supporters, on the subject of the EU.

The area I live, was a resounding "leave". Almost all of my relations, friends, acquaintances, voted "leave". Now, although they do grumble about some of the consequences (supported with an "I told you so" from me), the basic reason(s) they voted "Leave" have not gone away, so, there is no way they would support anything that looked like a "rejoin", or, even a "cosy upto".

Despite my normal cynicism I still maintain some hope that people will have enough sense to realise that there are more than one possible version of Brexit, and not just the pup they were sold by the Tories.

If Labour and the Lib Dems cannot, between them, mount credible counter-arguments that allow voters the get out of accepting they were duped, rather than being told they were just plain wrong, then they do not really deserve to beat the Tories, and everyone has to accept that the current Brexit is the best we are going to get.

Either that or lie through their teeth in their manifesto and then, if they get into power, ignore the manifesto and work to soften the Brexit we have to live with. Not a good look but It's not as if it hasn't happened before.

 

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Either that or lie through their teeth in their manifesto and then, if they get into power, ignore the manifesto and work to soften the Brexit we have to live with. Not a good look but It's not as if it hasn't happened before.

My suspicion is that this is what will happen, make Brexit work is as empty a phrase as get Brexit done.
Get into power and make Brexit work becomes joining the customs union.

 

[Deleted member 49]

How about worrying about whats right in front of us and fecking Brexit off....Who needs any more culture wars.
Cost of living crisis,the climate and the near enough collapse of the NHS should be enough to keep anyone busy enough....

 

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How about worrying about whats right in front of us and fecking Brexit off....Who needs any more culture wars.
Cost of living crisis,the climate and the near enough collapse of the NHS should be enough to keep anyone busy enough....

Do you mean cancelling or ignoring Brexit, cos the effects of Brexit ain’t a culture war.

 

[Deleted member 49]

Do you mean cancelling or ignoring Brexit, cos the effects of Brexit ain’t a culture war.

Culture wars is all the Tories have,without it there done for.None of this puts food on the table or heats people's homes.Nobody I know is the slightest bit interested in going back there....Let them fecking own it.

 

[Rusty Nails]

How about worrying about whats right in front of us and fecking Brexit off....Who needs any more culture wars.
Cost of living crisis,the climate and the near enough collapse of the NHS should be enough to keep anyone busy enough....

You are right, and that should have been part of the first option I mentioned, plus a mention of the Tories' lies and sleaze , and hopefully it should be enough.

Brexit itself has been lost, and all that is left is damage limitation. Brexit is important but it should not be the focus of the election campaign.

 

[FishFright]

I received a thread ban from CC because I was said to have attacked the poster and not the post, and at the time, when I read the thread, had to admit it was true. Very rarely are thread bans given out for nothing, and equally rarely are they undeserved.

They used to be given out for sport, to settle scores and at the behest of a handful of people who gamed the system. I was given a thread ban for calling out the mods who were bullying Accy and threatened with a permeant ban if I mentioned it again

The moderation has vastly improved on the mainland in recent months so I imagine some heads were banged together.