Oh no!! Brexit not going quite as well as hoped

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mudsticks

mudsticks

Squire
Where was the virtue signalling?

If you took the time to read what someone who actually knows what they are talking about wrote, instead of just being bitter, you might understand why many are still unhappy about the future of their trade post-Brexit.

This is a thread about post-Brexit opinions so why don't you, as someone who is pro Brexit, come up with something to contradict what was actually said?

Hint: That was a rhetorical question because there is not a cat-in-hell's chance of you doing so because you usually say that you choose not to answer.
In many ways , it's quite a cool thing really

To be dubbed as 'virtuous' just for talking about some stuff I have a bit of knowledge and experience of .

I haven't had to do a 'fun' run, or eschew caffeined drinks, or give up chocolate or owt like that..

It's quite an easy gig, this 'virtue' malarkey Tbh.. 😇
 

slowmotion

Active Member
Meanwhile, I bought a Brexit Bonus litre bottle of duty-free gin at St Pancras for £10.69.
 

Fab Foodie

Legendary Member
I know a few farmers who voted brexit

They did this because they genuinely thought that a better system for supporting good farming would be put in its place,which would be better than the rather blunt instrument of the CAP.

Although the UK government already had a lot of leeway to do things differently under the CAP, but chose not to.

There were certainly no injunctions against improving environmental standards, curbing the stranglehold of the multiples, supporting better farming, nor against encouraging lots of other beneficial actions, but the UK government chose not to do those things.

Under their 'let the market decide' way of operating.
That way of operating failed, as it's so short term.

I don't know any of those farmers who don't now regret that decision.

They see how they've been conned.

The CAP.definitely needs reforming (again) the reason it went to mostly basic area payments with a little bit of greening on the side
(Pillar 1 and Pillar 2) is because European farmers did what they were told to do..

Post war, poduced massive amounts of commodities for the short term, using large amounts of inputs, which had in their turn, very damaging consequences for the environment, and markets.

That's why subsidies on production were removed years ago - although people still talk about subsidies for farmers - they don't actually exist any more.

But now we can't have any part in those CAP reforms

We get to design our own system of support..
Although that's taking a long time, and leaving many farmers highly uncertain about what the future holds.

Especially those locked out if, or at least very much impeded from accessing EU markets


Farming is a long term game, or should be if you're doing it right

Building soils, biodiversity, and sustainability for future generations.
Whilst producing good food now, for people now.

With returns as they are, workforce diminished, and future markets destabilised by brexit, and the threat of unregulated imports, all that is really hard to plan for.

The Farmers were farked-over just like the Fishermen. Yet still they vote Tory....
 
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mudsticks

mudsticks

Squire
The Farmers were farked-over just like the Fishermen. Yet still they vote Tory....

Some do yes..

But not all of em..

The Tories were for a long time seen as the 'natural' home for the rural vote.

Not quite so much nowadays.

Although there are so few farmers, relatively speaking, compared with other occupations that we don't really count for much, electorally speaking, anyhow 🙄
 

Xipe Totec

Something nasty in the woodshed
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Meanwhile, I bought a Brexit Bonus litre bottle of duty-free gin at St Pancras for £10.69.
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jowwy

Can't spell, Can't Punctuate....Who care's, Sue Me
Where was the virtue signalling?

If you took the time to read what someone who actually knows what they are talking about wrote, instead of just being bitter, you might understand why many are still unhappy about the future of their trade post-Brexit.

This is a thread about post-Brexit opinions so why don't you, as someone who is pro Brexit, come up with something to contradict what was actually said?

Hint: That was a rhetorical question because there is not a cat-in-hell's chance of you doing so because you usually say that you choose not to answer.

i read it...the same old bullshit on every post.....look at me, look at me, poor old me, poor old me.....like i said a long time ago, never seen a poor farmer. They even got swimming pools around here, to go with their luxury 4x4s ( and not the farming ones either)
 

Rusty Nails

Country Member
i read it...the same old bullshit on every post.....look at me, look at me, poor old me, poor old me.....like i said a long time ago, never seen a poor farmer. They even got swimming pools around here, to go with their luxury 4x4s ( and not the farming ones either)

Every farmer around you has swimming pools and luxury 4X4s? I know a retired policeman and a retired civil servant with swimming pools and I could just as accurately say that pensioners have even got swimming pools round here.

And if you had actually read the post in question, which you clearly hadn't, you would know it was not a moan about their individual circumstances.

This is a thread to talk about the outcomes of Brexit, good or bad, but your posts continually seem to imply that people are wrong to highlight what they have seen as negatives, and, imo, are just a sign of your bitterness rather than any attempt to show they are wrong or to highlight the positives that you see.

I am afraid that this thread will continue to be overwhelmingly negative until people like you are able to show the positive outcomes of Brexit that you say you see. Should be easy.
 

jowwy

Can't spell, Can't Punctuate....Who care's, Sue Me
Every farmer around you has swimming pools and luxury 4X4s? I know a retired policeman and a retired civil servant with swimming pools and I could just as accurately say that pensioners have even got swimming pools round here.

And if you had actually read the post in question, which you clearly hadn't, you would know it was not a moan about their individual circumstances.

This is a thread to talk about the outcomes of Brexit, good or bad, but your posts continually seem to imply that people are wrong to highlight what they have seen as negatives, and, imo, are just a sign of your bitterness rather than any attempt to show they are wrong or to highlight the positives that you see.

I am afraid that this thread will continue to be overwhelmingly negative until people like you are able to show the positive outcomes of Brexit that you say you see. Should be easy.

were did i say every....stop twisting peoples words rusty, thats were the bullshit comes from.

Look for the positives yourself, instead of blaming everyone else for not showing you. This thread is full of victims, spreading their evil negativeness around the UK. Just get on with your lives........

i bet half of you arnet even affected by brexit, but just want to jump on the bullshit bandwagon.....and before people say that people are worse off.....if they never had it, they cant be worse off and before people blame cost of living, thats got bothing to do with brexit otherwise america, canada, germany, france, spain....( the EU overall) wouldnt be affected by it.


you just want someone to blame for your sad little existance, cause its easier than just accepting, its your fault.
 
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Rusty Nails

Country Member
were did i say every....stop twisting peoples words rusty, thats were the bullshit comes from.

So when you say farmers round you are well off you are not talking about all farmers, just exaggerating for effect. I have no doubt there are some farmers who are well off, just as there are farmers, tenanted or otherwise, who are not so well off. A bit like any business owner or self-employed person. Farming is such a comfortable life that farmers have three times the national suicide rate.
 

jowwy

Can't spell, Can't Punctuate....Who care's, Sue Me
So when you say farmers round you are well off you are not talking about all farmers, just exaggerating for effect. I have no doubt there are some farmers who are well off, just as there are farmers, tenanted or otherwise, who are not so well off. A bit like any business owner or self-employed person. Farming is such a comfortable life that farmers have three times the national suicide rate.

i never said all farmers.....i said a never seen a poor one. Yet again twisting peoples words for more bullshit.

Who said anything about it being a comfortable life - yet again more bullshit to suit your own rhetoric........

You tell more lies than Boris, sure your not english
 

jowwy

Can't spell, Can't Punctuate....Who care's, Sue Me
How has the value of the £ been affected by the Brexit vote and implementation?

do you want brexiteers to research that for you too....or can your brain be extended enough to find out for yourself??
 
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