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Maybe Brexit is like picking ones own nose. Bogeys.
Difficult choices , difficult decisions Klaxon !Not that more evidence is required that Brexit has failed everyday folk,but for the record....
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...g-eat-debate-human?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Once again, polling stats show the now pretty much overwhelming desire to move closer to Europe and rejoin in some way. The Lib Dems, Greens and SNP realise this, why not Labour?
Difficult choices , difficult decisions Klaxon !
Not that more evidence is required that Brexit has failed everyday folk,but for the record....
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...g-eat-debate-human?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Once again, polling stats show the now pretty much overwhelming desire to move closer to Europe and rejoin in some way. The Lib Dems, Greens and SNP realise this, why not Labour?
Labour's policy is very sensible. Rejoining or renegotiating a swiss(or wherever)-style just isn't going to happen, certainly not in the next parliament. Talking about rejoining would simply reopen the arguments to no effect, and would probably be a gift to the tories. IMO the most that can be achieved is to align more closely on trade/standards, which would at least put us in a position where negotiations with the EU are feasible. Quite likely that the tory brexit loons will try to move us as far as possible away from EU as possible, to make any move back as difficult as possible. The next Labour government is going to inherit an appalling mess in terms of finances, EU relationship. Starmer is pretty feeble, but I think it would be a mistake to raise your expectations after a decade of utter lunatic incompetence from the tories
It's a view I regularly consider.
But Starmer needs clearer water between Labour and thr Tories over Brexit, showing for the shitshow it is, demostrating that the majority of the country realise they've been had, and showing a clear direction of travel for closer ties to Europe.
Without overcoming some of the trade barriers to Europe, nor a freer policy on the movement of people, they're not going to save the downward economical spiral.
My conclusion is he needs to be talking this up and pitching it now as policy should they get a second term.....
It would be interesting to see any recent polls about attitudes to Brexit and/or closer ties with the EU specifically in the Red Wall areas to see if there is any buyer's remorse.
Completely agree with the aspirations and sentiment.In my opinion, the idea of rejoining the EU is misconceived. It implies that the UK should go back to its status of semi-detached half-member with an accumulation of derogations and exceptions that included absence from the euro zone and absence from the Schengen area. The UK does not need to rejoin, it needs to join: in the Schengen Area, in the euro zone, committed to the development of its own continent, giving every child oral fluency in a second European language by the time they leave primary school. The UK needs to understand that nothing can stop it from being a European country, it is a fact of geography. It needs to join in and work with its own family, despite all its faults and foibles, and not isolate itself in its national bedroom in a gigantic teenage sulk.
In my opinion, the idea of rejoining the EU is misconceived. It implies that the UK should go back to its status of semi-detached half-member with an accumulation of derogations and exceptions that included absence from the euro zone and absence from the Schengen area. The UK does not need to rejoin, it needs to join: in the Schengen Area, in the euro zone, committed to the development of its own continent, giving every child oral fluency in a second European language by the time they leave primary school. The UK needs to understand that nothing can stop it from being a European country, it is a fact of geography. It needs to join in and work with its own family, despite all its faults and foibles, and not isolate itself in its national bedroom in a gigantic teenage sulk.
Here's some nourishment for the like-minded, there is certainly no need to despair:
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Over 50,000 joiners marched through London on 22 October with the procession stretching from Piccadilly to Parliament Square.
Anything in the newspapers? Virtually nothing. Anything on the main broadcast news? Nothing that I saw. For the media, it has ceased to be a current affair. However, with turnouts such as this the nation is proving otherwise.
And here's a sample placard:
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I like your sentiment, but, it does not matter how many individuals are in favour, unless and until we get a Government who wish to join, it will not happen. At present, the only viable alternatives for Government are Labour or Conservative, neither have rejoining as a policy, or, even a desire. It's not going to happen, sadly.