Oh no!! Brexit not going quite as well as hoped

[Once a Wheeler]

I like your sentiment, but, it does not matter how many individuals are in favour, unless and until we get a Government who wish to join, it will not happen. At present, the only viable alternatives for Government are Labour or Conservative, neither have rejoining as a policy, or, even a desire. It's not going to happen, sadly.

There are two excellent historical examples where a faction has taken control of a minority which has formed a tail which has wagged the dog:

Prohibition in the USA:

1920–1933 (13years)

Nazism in Germany:

1933–1945 (12 years)

Brexit occurred in exactly the same way with a faction taking control of a minority which formed a tail which wagged the dog. So let us give it 13 years maximum and, with a bit of persistence from joiners, possibly considerably less. Once there are votes in joining, the political parties will develop policy accordingly.

As a footnote, it is interesting to see that the US state whose vote tipped the balance against Prohibition to bring it to an end was Mormon, teetotal, Utah. There is wisdom and reason in some surprising places. Keep the faith!

 

[Fab Foodie]

Get over it....it's done.

View: https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1599682959702781952?t=LGqio-dTkdG6nQSquncZoA&s=19

Unfinished business....

 

[albion]

The radio 4 interview is well worth a listen. I think it came after one with Jeremy Hunt.
He gets a lot right and luckily for him, had an easy time of it.

I am not sure who would want to employ such a stumbling lawyer. You can hear him trying hard to keep the right boxes ticked.
My analysis of what he said went further and concluded that the FPTP system is not fit for purpose.
The Torys ever further corrupting the Lords is why his argument to do away with the Lords is correct. However, you would likely then need a safeguard of proportional representation.

 

[BoldonLad]

Not in the near future, but governments change, party leaders change. My guess is that we will hopefully see closer alignment over the next few years once the tories are gone, then in 5-10 years progress to either rejoining, or negotiating a more sensible relationship. But fixing this shitshow is not going to be easy or quick.

Yeah.... so, we are looking at say 8-15 years, not in my lifetime I suspect

Edit. just seen your second post, saying much the same, still, probably not in my lifetime

 

[Rusty Nails]

Not in the near future, but governments change, party leaders change. My guess is that we will hopefully see closer alignment over the next few years once the tories are gone, then in 5-10 years progress to either rejoining, or negotiating a more sensible relationship. But fixing this shitshow is not going to be easy or quick.

AFAIUI if we were ever to rejoin the EU we would have to join the Eurozone. I believe this would make a rejoin majority in a future referendum very difficult to achieve, not because of its practicality but because of its symbolism to many.

We were in a very good position when we were in and would not be able to rejoin on such good terms again.

 

[the snail]

AFAIUI if we were ever to rejoin the EU we would have to join the Eurozone. I believe this would make a rejoin majority in a future referendum very difficult to achieve, not because of its practicality but because of its symbolism to many.

We were in a very good position when we were in and would not be able to rejoin on such good terms again.

True, but when the pound goes under 1$/1€... In any case we wouldn't actually have to join the the eurozone, just commit to joining at some unspecified time in the future, maybe.

 

[Fab Foodie]

We were in a very good position when we were in and would not be able to rejoin on such good terms again.

Yep, we killed the golden goose, but rejoining under 'regular' terms would be better than the current situation.
Furthermore a commitment to rejoin could solve the Irish and Scottish issues, both of which will fester for years to come.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Yep, we killed the golden goose, but rejoining under 'regular' terms would be better than the current situation.
Furthermore a commitment to rejoin could solve the Irish and Scottish issues, both of which will fester for years to come.

Yes, logically it clearly would be better than what we have now.

Doesn't mean that the right decision will be taken. Logic has very little to do with Brexit.

 

[Deleted member 49]

Furthermore a commitment to rejoin could solve the Irish and Scottish issues, both of which will fester for years to come.

Not a chance...that fuse paper has been lit.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

a commitment to rejoin could solve the Irish and Scottish issues

Not for supporters of Scottish independence it wouldn’t.

 

[qigong chimp]

We were in a very good position when we were in and would not be able to rejoin on such good terms again.

You forget, we hold all the cards.

 

[Rusty Nails]

You forget, we hold all the cards.

They've all been seen, and we've none up our sleeve.

 

[the snail]

Not for supporters of Scottish independence it wouldn’t.

It would be much easier for Scotland to leave the UK if we were in the EU/single market.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

They've all been seen, and we've none up our sleeve.

We have had enough of sleevers!

 

[Once a Wheeler]

Get over it....it's done.

View: https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1599682959702781952?t=LGqio-dTkdG6nQSquncZoA&s=19

Take heart, dear friends. Remember Général Foch: Mon centre cède, ma droite recule. Situation excellente, j'attaque. (My centre is giving way, my right is in retreat. Situation excellent, I attack.)

We are all on a pilgrimage. There's no discouragement…