Oh no!! Brexit not going quite as well as hoped

[Pale Rider]

So you deny the facts quoted about companies trying to trade with the EU?

We are of course still waiting for the easiest deals, as good as or better than the Single Market.

Facts have very little to do with Guardian comment pieces.

They tell you what you want to hear, but that's all.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Facts have very little to do with Guardian comment pieces.

They tell you what you want to hear, but that's all.

You might have learned something from Hutton's final sentence had you read it.

''What must not happen is for us to dig deeper into the hole we are already in.''

 

[Pale Rider]

You might have learned something from Hutton's final sentence had you read it.

''What must not happen is for us to dig deeper into the hole we are already in.''

Did his facts include a growing economy and falling unemployment?

 

[Bromptonaut]

Did his facts include a growing economy and falling unemployment?

Not the be all and end all are they?

The growth may well be despite Brexit rather than because. Any meaningful count of growth needs to reference 2019. Last year will be an outlier for decades.

Judging by the Nursing Home proprietor interviewed on Times Radio this morning falling unemployment is not universally beneficial; staffing agencies have him over a barrel.

 

[AndyRM]

Facts have very little to do with Guardian comment pieces.

They tell you what you want to hear, but that's all.

Genuinely one of the funniest things I've read all day.

You should quit the day job and start writing comedy more often.

 

[Bromptonaut]

Of course not, standard Guardian anti-Brexit/government crap.

Even your Tory MPs' bottoms story was lifted from the Daily Mail.

Not exactly Mail sleuthing. Dorries actually denied, on record in a Mail interview, that the Nokes bottom was slapped at all.

Needless to say she/'sources close to her' are furiously back paddling.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Not the be all and end all are they?

The growth may well be despite Brexit rather than because. Any meaningful count of growth needs to reference 2019. Last year will be an outlier for decades.

Judging by the Nursing Home proprietor interviewed on Times Radio this morning falling unemployment is not universally beneficial; staffing agencies have him over a barrel.

If you fall into a 30 ft hole you cannot deny that climbing 5 ft up it is progress of sorts.

 

[Pale Rider]

Not exactly Mail sleuthing. Dorries actually denied, on record in a Mail interview, that the Nokes bottom was slapped at all.

Needless to say she/'sources close to her' are furiously back paddling.

I didn't say it was Mail; sleuthing.

I said the Guardian story was a lift from the Mail, which it was.

Genuinely one of the funniest things I've read all day.

You should quit the day job and start writing comedy more often.

Please don't tell me you believe Guardian comment pieces.

I know you want to believe them, but that's a different thing.

 

[Bromptonaut]

I didn't say it was Mail; sleuthing.

I said the Guardian story was a lift from the Mail, which it was.



Please don't tell me you believe Guardian comment pieces.

I know you want to believe them, but that's a different thing.

Dorries gave the interview to the Mail. The Guardian is reporting that Nokes is pissed off by her colleague's comments.

As regards the Hutton piece, the article recites facts about, amongst other things EU imports/exports and the effect of Brexit on London in a previously EU wide banking system.

You can obviously have your own view on Will Hutton's conclusions. Rather more difficult to have your own facts.

 

[Pale Rider]

Not the be all and end all are they?

The growth may well be despite Brexit rather than because. Any meaningful count of growth needs to reference 2019. Last year will be an outlier for decades.

Judging by the Nursing Home proprietor interviewed on Times Radio this morning falling unemployment is not universally beneficial; staffing agencies have him over a barrel.

A growing economy and falling unemployment are two important facts which are hard to talk away, but it's amusing to see you try.

So the nursing home bloke can no longer get people to work in crappy conditions for even crappier pay.

I thought you'd approve of that.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I didn't say it was Mail; sleuthing.

I said the Guardian story was a lift from the Mail, which it was.



Please don't tell me you believe Guardian comment pieces.

I know you want to believe them, but that's a different thing.

Comment pieces in papers of all colours are not to be believed but considered as comments.

Do you believe what you read in the Sun, Mail or Express?

 

[Rusty Nails]

A growing economy and falling unemployment are two important facts which are hard to talk away, but it's amusing to see you try.

So the nursing home bloke can no longer get people to work in crappy conditions for even crappier pay.

I thought you'd approve of that.

So you cannot understand why small growth following a big fall is not a lot to be grateful for.

It is also happening in other countries..........who did not fall quite as far as us.

 

[AndyRM]

I didn't say it was Mail; sleuthing.

I said the Guardian story was a lift from the Mail, which it was.



Please don't tell me you believe Guardian comment pieces.

I know you want to believe them, but that's a different thing.

I don't.

It's cute you think I allow journalists to make my mind up for me.

 

[Bromptonaut]

A growing economy and falling unemployment are two important facts which are hard to talk away, but it's amusing to see you try.

So the nursing home bloke can no longer get people to work in crappy conditions for even crappier pay.

I thought you'd approve of that.

As already pointed 'growth' in recovery from a precipitous fall and where pre fall levels are only just reached isn't exactly a matter for crowing from the roof tops.

Of course I approve of increased wages for crappy work. The problem in the care sector is that the crappy wages are priced in and arguably exist at the behest of the councils paying for the care. Central government has, in turn, incentivised councils to do exactly that.

Unless the government's Damascene conversion to wage increases carries through into funding for Social Care a lot of Care Homes will go to the wall. Policy so far in that area seems to be focussed on backfilling inheritances rather than actual care.

 

[Deleted member 49]

Of course I approve of increased wages for crappy work.

Surely the pandemic has taught you there's no such thing as crappy work ?