Oh no!! Brexit not going quite as well as hoped

[Deleted member 49]

Let's face it, can you see anyone other than the Tories getting in any time soon?

Sadly no.

I assume many people think Brexit is a disaster, from reading posts on here, but lots more either don't care or are busy getting on with life. You're f****d basically

I fear your right....it's pretty sad that people can look at this goverment/Johnson and think that's the best we've got though ? I mean even yourself a Tory voter must see them for what they are now ?

 

[Rusty Nails]

Let's face it, can you see anyone other than the Tories getting in any time soon?

I assume many people think Brexit is a disaster, from reading posts on here, but lots more either don't care or are busy getting on with life. You're f****d basically.

At the moment I think that most people are more concerned with the immediate problems caused by Covid than about Brexit.
There is a tendency for Remainers to look more for the problems from Brexit and the Leavers to be able to say that their world hasn't yet fallen apart because of Brexit so they are satisfied with the way it has gone.

If there was a GE in the next year it would certainly result in a Tory win, but the way political tides turn these days who knows about two years time?

 

[FishFright]

Come on brexiteers there's work to be done

 

[Deleted member 28]

Need to make those 'shitty jobs' more attractive then.

 

[Deleted member 28]

If there was a GE in the next year it would certainly result in a Tory win, but the way political tides turn these days who knows about two years time?

I hope you're right and heaven help you lot if you moan just once about the government if Labour get in.

 

[mudsticks]

Need to make those 'shitty jobs' more attractive then.

What you mean like upholding labour rights, paying people properly.??

As was more than possible inside the EU.

In fact our labour rights were strengthened inside the EU

We could have enforced stricter ones..
Under the EU.

Why didn't we.??

Because 'free market forces' so beloved of the Tories held sway .

Nothing to do, with the EU


And of course people wanted to pay less, not more for their goods and services.

Pay people 'properly' you have to pas the cost on.

Let supermarkets dictate the price to the producer ??

Margins get cut to the bone, corners are cut..
Who suffers?

The workforce does.

So we even have scenarios where people working in food factories, are using food banks.

That's the true definition in of a 'race to the bottom' that you've occasionally mentioned , but I don't think you quite understand the true meaning of..

 

[BoldonLad]

At the moment I think that most people are more concerned with the immediate problems caused by Covid than about Brexit.
There is a tendency for Remainers to look more for the problems from Brexit and the Leavers to be able to say that their world hasn't yet fallen apart because of Brexit so they are satisfied with the way it has gone.

If there was a GE in the next year it would certainly result in a Tory win, but the way political tides turn these days who knows about two years time?

Wasn't it Harold Wilson who said "a week is a long time in Politics", or, words to that effect?

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Need to make those 'shitty jobs' more attractive then.

First we'll need to make the attractive jobs more attractive. How's that going?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...nners-to-uk-fails-to-attract-single-applicant

 

[Deleted member 28]

First we'll need to make the attractive jobs more attractive. How's that going?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...nners-to-uk-fails-to-attract-single-applicant

Bit desperate aren't you?

I heard somewhere there's never been so many vacancies in the UK and unemployment is at a low since before the pandemic?

You pluck some half assed story out the air from the Guardian.

 

[mudsticks]

Bit desperate aren't you?

I heard somewhere there's never been so many vacancies in the UK and unemployment is at a low since before the pandemic?

You pluck some half assed story out the air from the Guardian.

You've just illustrated your own point.

If they can't attract takers for the 'fancy' jobs.

What hope for the meat packing, sprout picking, and care work* that needs doing.

Those jobs that were being filled by Eastern Europeans, ahead of all the Brexiteers desperate to do that work??

 

[Deleted member 49]

You've just illustrated your own point.

If they can't attract takers for the 'fancy' jobs.

What hope for the meat packing, sprout picking, and care work* that needs doing.

Those jobs that were being filled by Eastern Europeans, ahead of all the Brexiteers desperate to do that work??

@BoldonLad has allready got the answer...

Just put a (free) ferry on, problem solved.

Based on this forum, I cannot imagine why they want to come to the UK, but, it would appear, they do.

 

[mudsticks]

* I met a couple of very tired students , on the train a few weeks back.

Bangladeshi origin.

Studying in Brum (or thereabouts) they were just back from spending their half term holidays making a bit of extra cash doing care work, in Bristol I think - 40 hr shifts.

Thanks to them for stepping up, but this is not a sustainable, or safe way to meet our elder care needs .

I quelled my usual rather nosey chattyiness to let the poor loves sleep, after finding all that out.

Oh they were both studying Global Health Practice, or something like that, so not entirely unqualified for the job .

@BoldonLad has allready got the answer...

Sounds like a plan to me .

Especially with our own ageing demographic.

So long as we're not just taking advantage of other countries having funded all the expense of raising and educating those people only to nick them in their prime.

Maybe we also need to do a bit of investing in, and valuing that sort of work over here, more too.?

But that takes time of course..

 

[BoldonLad]

* I met a couple of very tired students , on the train a few weeks back.

Bangladeshi origin.

Studying in Brum (or thereabouts) they were just back from spending their half term holidays making a bit of extra cash doing care work, in Bristol I think - 40 hr shifts.

Thanks to them for stepping up, but this is not a sustainable, or safe way to meet our elder care needs .

I quelled my usual rather nosey chattyiness to let the poor loves sleep, after finding all that out.

Oh they were both studying Global Health Practice, or something like that, so not entirely unqualified for the job .



Sounds like a plan to me .

Especially with our own ageing demographic.

So long as we're not just taking advantage of other countries having funded all the expense of raising and educating those people only to nick them in their prime.

Maybe we also need to do a bit of investing in, and valuing that sort of work over here, more too.?

But that takes time of course..

Was/Is the student's ethnic origin relevant to their "extra cash raising " ?

I don't quite see how we are "taking advantage", if said people are queueing up on a French beach waiting for the next rubber boat (or, in my solution, Ferry).

 

[Hitchington]

You pluck some half assed story out the air from the Guardian.

It's called "the news"

Try reading it someday.

 

[mudsticks]

Was/Is the student's ethnic origin relevant to their "extra cash raising " ?

I don't quite see how we are "taking advantage", if said people are queueing up on a French beach waiting for the next rubber boat (or, in my solution, Ferry).

I don't know, like I said they were very tired so couldn't quite give it the full interview.

But even if migrants (or refugees) come willingly we are still benefitting from the education they had in their own country.

It's a fairly well known phenomenon this 'brain drain' where well educated people come here for the extra money they can earn

Ok they may send quite a lot home to their country of origin, but still we benefit from having their talents here.