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Truss 🤣 The only thing that can trump her is Francoise in the leadership battle.
Oh no!! Brexit not going quite as well as hoped
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Beebo
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Sssssshh don’t tell the Brexitiers. But we’re all descendants of European immigrants.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-59741723
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-59741723
farfromtheland
Regular AND Goofy
I may be but we're not. The EU is not exactly friendly to Africans. Under the EU the young Windrush generation still got to lose out, as well as the Hong Kong British.
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the snail
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I don't understand, neither of these had anything to do with the EU, totally the responsibility of the uk govt.
farfromtheland
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Not supporting the EU has widely been called racist and made a big thing of, though the people affected by EU migration are mostly white. Meanwhile non-Europeans face far more barriers, even when they are historically owed respect and recognition. Though the exclusions were handled by the government public opinion could have played a much more positive role, but we were squabbling over Europe.
The plight of Somalis and others stranded outside the EU in Malta or Syrians and others in Turkey is a direct responsibility of the EU. Germany has helped more than many European states but the situation remains that people who have fled violence and persecution in Africa and the Middle East still face this, either crossing the Mediterranean or the Channel. France has been horribly racist in Algeria, this attitude persists. Some Eastern European states beggar belief. I don't think I am out of order in saying the EU is the biggest racist cabal this side of the Atlantic.
the snail
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No it isn't. It is the responsibility of the member states to deal with migrants in their countries. The EU has no authority to decide these matters. Some would argue that the EU should do more, and there have been efforts to come up with an EU-wide response that shares the burden more fairly, but many member states adopt the UK position, avoiding taking on refugees/migrants, and leaving those in the front line to deal with them. There seems to be a curious doublethink on this issue - the EU is a dictatorial body that imposes it's will on member states, but it should impose its will to solve the migrant issue?
Rusty Nails
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I voted Remain almost entirely due to it not making economic sense to leave the EU, but I have never been under any misapprehension about the moral or humanitarian principles of the organisation or its members.
farfromtheland
Regular AND Goofy
I think the EU takes some responsibility -
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-migration-policy/central-mediterranean-route/
Whether you view this as backing up Italy on the front line, or giving it an excuse to refuse to rescue migrants drowning in the Mediterranean while buying off Libya, is I suppose a matter of interpretation.
newfhouse
pleb
Has it? Where? Your average racist probably doesn’t support the EU but that’s not the same thing at all.
If it comes to it I don’t “support” the EU but it exists and I do strongly believe we and it would have harmed the world less had we remained members.
farfromtheland
Regular AND Goofy
I beg your pardon, I should have said 'not supporting EU membership'.
This view has been expressed in NACA, prompting my earlier post. And here -
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/brexit-is-r-for-racism/
Of course there were other arguments for leaving the EU, but the conflation with racism was also a tactic worthy of the worst tabloid style.
Leave played the race card, and remain relied on an anti-racist card to win. Neither were principled.
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newfhouse
pleb
I agree, but they didn’t carry as much weight with the public as the
It’s the racism wot won it.
farfromtheland
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I disagree. I think the accusation of racism could well have put a lot of people's backs up and skewed the decision in reaction.
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It's not like the racism hasn't allways been there but it gave Johnson the ability to tap into it with a large proportion of the electorate.Brexit was all about immigration and feck the cost !
farfromtheland
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There is a difference between racism and disliking cheap labour pushing wages down. Perhaps the Remain campaign could have seen a bigger picture and championed fighting zero hours contracts and decent wages over precarious employment and won. It was close.
