Oh no!! Brexit not going quite as well as hoped

[farfromtheland]

And possibly one reason for that is the Blair years. He had the numbers but the middle classes finally sussed him out when he made war, after he had already turned his dirty nickers on the left.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Perhaps if Labour got enough people to vote for them they could then change the country for the better (apparently) and would be in power for a long time?

Has it not dawned on you that some people don't think Labour's thoughts on how the country should be run is as good as you do.

Clearly. Due to the points I made.

 

[icowden]

Perhaps if Labour got enough people to vote for them they could then change the country for the better (apparently) and would be in power for a long time?

The problem is with the extreme ends of the political spectrum. On the right you have the kind of Conservative who thinks anyone with different coloured skin should be strung up / sent back to where they came from, that poor people should jolly well sort themselves out so that rich people don't have to mollycoddle them and that the aim of life is to become rich regardless of who you step on along the way. On the left you have the Labour voter who thinks that all industry should be renationalised, all rich people should be taxes at 100% so that the money can be distributed across the population, private schools should be banned, wages should be capped etc.

So you have either the 100% aspiration believer or the removal of aspiration believer. The problem is that neither of those groups really represent the majority of the UK. The largest slice of voters is the middle ground. People who don't mind paying a *tiny* bit more tax if it helps, who think that maybe we should try to look after the poorest part of society but that everyone should have the possibility of accessing a private school if they are clever enough. People who don't have a strong opinion either way but think that we could do better, make sure we have a strong economy a positive world presence and that the people on the extreme ends of left and right are lunatics.

 

[FishFright]

The problem is with the extreme ends of the political spectrum. On the right you have the kind of Conservative who thinks anyone with different coloured skin should be strung up / sent back to where they came from, that poor people should jolly well sort themselves out so that rich people don't have to mollycoddle them and that the aim of life is to become rich regardless of who you step on along the way. On the left you have the Labour voter who thinks that all industry should be renationalised, all rich people should be taxes at 100% so that the money can be distributed across the population, private schools should be banned, wages should be capped etc.

So you have either the 100% aspiration believer or the removal of aspiration believer. The problem is that neither of those groups really represent the majority of the UK. The largest slice of voters is the middle ground. People who don't mind paying a *tiny* bit more tax if it helps, who think that maybe we should try to look after the poorest part of society but that everyone should have the possibility of accessing a private school if they are clever enough. People who don't have a strong opinion either way but think that we could do better, make sure we have a strong economy a positive world presence and that the people on the extreme ends of left and right are lunatics.

The people in the middle are nearly as bad nowadays with their " I can't understand why I can have it both ways " attitude and swearing blind they are in a huge majority of the voters yet the centre parties never get elected.

 

[mjr]

I took the shep challenge.
Just popped in to my local, The Traitor's Arms, and not a single squiffy, treasonous oaf expressed a scintilla of regret or apology for so hating and harming their country and compatriots.

My local is still grumpy about Brexit, but that's expected given it specializes in German and Belgian beers and so all their main supplies have been farked.

The pub in the next village shuttered during the go-out/don't-go-out/no-more-help-because-there's-no-law-closing-you nonsense, but I doubt the big reduction in mostly-single migrant farm workers with little else to do out here in the evenings helped!

 

[mjr]

It would appear there are 3 of you, Leave voters (perhaps 4) ;

There haven't been any Leave voters since 2016. They won and they really should get over it, or is that referendum going to be another 40-year-long bore if we let them keep on?

 

[icowden]

There haven't been any Leave voters since 2016. They won and they really should get over it, or is that referendum going to be another 40-year-long bore if we let them keep on?

Are you working for the metropolitan police now? Or do you just also have trouble with the past...

 

[the snail]

And possibly one reason for that is the Blair years. He had the numbers but the middle classes finally sussed him out when he made war, after he had already turned his dirty nickers on the left.

Not true, even after he led us into the 2nd gulf war, he won another general election, and he resigned undefeated and unchallenged for the leadership. Ultimately it was G. Brown's lacklustre leadership and the global financial crash that did for Labour, and even then, Cameron basically adopted new labour style policies and he couldn't even win an outright majority after 13 years of Labour. Whatever you think of Blair, his period of leadership was very successful for Labour. Just cast your mind back to the state of the tories then - they were a joke party.

 

[BoldonLad]

The people in the middle are nearly as bad nowadays with their " I can't understand why I can have it both ways " attitude and swearing blind they are in a huge majority of the voters yet the centre parties never get elected.

What Centre parties?

 

[Deleted member 49]

Not true, even after he led us into the 2nd gulf war, he won another general election, and he resigned undefeated and unchallenged for the leadership. Ultimately it was G. Brown's lacklustre leadership and the global financial crash that did for Labour, and even then, Cameron basically adopted new labour style policies and he couldn't even win an outright majority after 13 years of Labour. Whatever you think of Blair, his period of leadership was very successful for Labour. Just cast your mind back to the state of the tories then - they were a joke party.

You sure it was Browns lacklustre leadership or was it more that Murdoch decided he'd had enough of Tony ?

 

[FishFright]

What Centre parties?

Sorry should have been 'party'

 

[FishFright]

You sure it was Browns lacklustre leadership or was it more that Murdoch decided he'd had enough of Tony ?

They were still bosom pals at that point .

 

[Deleted member 49]

Sorry should have been 'party'

Parcs ?

 

[icowden]

The people in the middle are nearly as bad nowadays with their " I can't understand why I can have it both ways " attitude and swearing blind they are in a huge majority of the voters yet the centre parties never get elected.

It's almost impossible for the "centre parties" to get elected. Their votes are either swallowed by predominantly tory constituencies or predominantly labour constituencies. The biggest upset of recent years was the "red wall" turning blue thus indicating that change is happening.

However at the same time, the electoral boundaries are being redrawn to favour the Tories thus making it even harder for a pure labour win. If we had PR, the lib dems would be a far more dominant party along with the greens. As it is, their best hope for power is a liberal alliance with labour. They can take Tory seats that just won't vote labour (such as my local seat - Esher and Walton), where it would be impossible for Labour. Corbyn wouldn't countenance such an idea. Starmer looks like he might.

 

[Deleted member 28]

I took the shep challenge.
Just popped in to my local, The Traitor's Arms, and not a single squiffy, treasonous oaf expressed a scintilla of regret or apology for so hating and harming their country and compatriots.

Sounds like my local.