Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

[Rusty Nails]

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Magnified a thousand times by exploiting social media which is not a good medium for getting over logic. But great for rumours and soundbites.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Plus, people may vote Reform as a protest, but, will they actually put them in Power? There is a difference between a by-election and/or a Local Government Election and a General Election.

Given our FPTP system, is it even likely Reform will get a sizeable number of seats, never mind a working majority? The Lib-Dems have struggled with this for years.

In the interim, Reform are making Labour look foolish, and the Conservatives irrelevant, simply because they don't seem to have the wit to face them (Reform) down.

only my humble opinion of course. 🙂

Local elections are often protest votes. I'd be surprised if they turned into votes for a Reform MP, unless the Tories went nuts and stood down their candidates in a deal or something.

 

[Psamathe]

Local elections are often protest votes. I'd be surprised if they turned into votes for a Reform MP, unless the Tories went nuts and stood down their candidates in a deal or something.

Very difficult to predict. Personal view is that Conservatives will be changing leader before the next election and as things will still be looking bad for them, whoever takes over might be more sympathetic to election pacts, in effect cut their losses to avoid oblivion. Maybe not.

My problem is that "wishful thinking" can affect what one thinks might happen ... That said at the moment I can't dream any outcome I think would turn out well for the country (across all parties).

Ian

 

[BoldonLad]

Local elections are often protest votes. I'd be surprised if they turned into votes for a Reform MP, unless the Tories went nuts and stood down their candidates in a deal or something.

In the area I live in (and, I assume many others) the Tories are irrelevant and have been for years. The votes being lost to Reform are Labour votes, there simply were not enough Tory Votes to switch to Reform to produce the kind of upheaval that has occurred.

 

[Psamathe]

In the area I live in (and, I assume many others) the Tories are irrelevant and have been for years.

But things can change. Where I live was a massive Conservative majority, totally safe seat, no other parties stood any sort of chance ... until 2024 and now I have a Green MP.

Ian

 

[BoldonLad]

But things can change. Where I live was a massive Conservative majority, totally safe seat, no other parties stood any sort of chance ... until 2024 and now I have a Green MP.

Ian

Quite. "my" area was solid Labour, the joke used to be, they did not count the votes, they weighed them, what I am saying is:

There is no way a Conservative will displace the Sitting Labour MP (or Councillor)

If there is an upheaval and the sitting Labour Mp (or Councillor) is unseated, it will be by a Reform Candidate, or, maybe, a Green

Labour are in danger of paying the price of being complacent and not listening to the electorate.

 

[First Aspect]

The Tories are plumbing the depths at the moment.

Their leader went to the dispatch box this week with a key argument that the new EU deal was a bad deal because the Tories would have negotiated a better deal than the Tories negotiated.

It needs a special term to describe a competence such that barely anyone registers she's spoken. Something so meaningless it doesn't matter if you turn the sound off.

How about "noncompetent"?

 

[secretsqirrel]

Can Death of the Tory Party and Assisted Dying threads be merged?