Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

[BoldonLad]

Ah, so Europeans are OK, but brown people aren't. That's why they voted to leave the EU.

Got it.

https://bsky.app/profile/petehowelondon.bsky.social/post/3lxn3tp2qjc2m

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Not a place I have ever been to, but, much to my surprise, the population is claimed to be over 90% white British.

 

[BoldonLad]

Lazy and frankly dimwitted explanation.

The truth is that Farage & Co used race-based fear to recruit the gullible to vote for Brexit. Brexit destroyed the ability to return people arriving here back to Europe. Inevitably the numbers of stayers increased hugely as a consequence, Now they are using the same race-based fear to recruit the gullible to vote for them in a general election. They know that Brexit ended the Dublin Agreement that has increased the numbers, but they blame that on this government and the previous one.

Frankly only the most stupid of people could see it differently, and if you feel that the problem is now that those people on the left saw this coming and resisted it are to blame, then you are at the most stupid end of stupid. I suppose you'll be happy to see tax increases introduced under Reform so that the Taliban can be paid to take undocumented arrivals? Without your human rights, how confident are you that you'll be listened to or be free to protest?

Not sure you use of the word "stupid" to describe a significant proportion of the UK Population is wise, IMHO, it is akin to Prudent Gordon's use of the word "bigot".

Ill informed they may be (mainly because they have little personal interest in Politics, IMHO), but, perhaps sadly, in my experience a lot of people who are opposed to "small boat arrivals" are actually reasonably intelligent people, with good jobs (good that is for an area generally regarded as deprived, perhaps not London City good).

 

[BoldonLad]

Was the 25 year period that bad for people? I didn’t vote for Blair but I would have said that was generally a decent period financially for ordinary people up until the GFC. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and especially the lies that took us into Iraq were major failings but financially I would say it was the strongest period since I started working in 1989. The post 2010 austerity was bad and affected the poorest most (even though I think it was necessary in the early days). The irony is that things were improving and Cameron could have been governing with a stronger economy had he not held the Brexit vote.

I don't know where you are based, but, the 25 years, before Brexit, in this area was simply a continuation of decline from the loss of employment, in the 25 years before that (Shipyards gone, Coal Mines gone, Engineering almost gone).

 

[Stevo 666]

I am very keen to understand. I speak to Reform voting neighbours, as well as refugees.

Unfortunately our political system rewards people with a simple message, rather than a nuanced one.

Fair play, although you seem to be the exception here.

 

[Stevo 666]

Actually Simpleton Steve, you've been complaining about repetition - but this is about all you can ever think of to say. There is no engagement in the argument with you, just repetitive nonsense. Still they do say that empty vessels make the most noise.

I'm not interested in what an AI chatbot has to say. Especially when it seems to be stuck in the the 'arrogant twat' setting.

 

[Stevo 666]

'Defensive'? How odd!

So, last time I checked this was a thread about Reform apparently supplanting the Tories as the natural political home for the UK's fascists, racists, millionaires (imaginary or otherwise) and morons, and not about events in other countries. I can check again if you like but I suspect I would reach the same conclusion.

I'm sure there are plenty of other pics of the same events from different angles, but if you want to see them, Google (or a search engine of your choice) will probably be helpful. Although I do try to be agreeable & accomodating (to a degree), I don't think it's my responsibility to cater for short attention spans or low boredom thresholds.

And anyway - I think it's an interesting and complex image with a number of different elements to consider. I mean - it's curious how many people engaged in this blatantly criminal activity have chosen to do so without concealing their identities, and it occurs to me it's possible that some may have so far evaded justice. I don't suppose those people would want the image to be repeatedly posted & circulated, would they? They'd probably prefer other images be used instead, perhaps of similar events in other countries. Wouldn't they?

Makes you think...

Post whichever pics you like, just try to be a bit more original. I seem to have generated quite a response from you just by making that point. Wonder why?

As for reaching any different conclusions, I doubt you'll ever manage that 😉

 

[Xipe Totec]

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Post whichever pics you like, just try to be a bit more original. I seem to have generated quite a response from you just by making that point. Wonder why?

As for reaching any different conclusions, I doubt you'll ever manage that 😉

It's just that you're such a sucker for laboured & elephantine sarcasm & baseless insinuations - and those just happen to be my rhetorical specialty. I'd accord the same treatment to anyone who deserved it.

Originality, you say?

Spoiler

Naah.

 

[pinkbikini]

I find the BBC reporting more and more bizarre. What’s wrong with using meaningful words in titles, rather than putting phrases in inverted commas? For instance, why not use the word “alleged”. What’s with the ‘racial assault’? Such lazy reporting (as usual). Apologetic arse-coverers!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx27xj85y5lo

 

[icowden]

I find the BBC reporting more and more bizarre. What’s wrong with using meaningful words in titles, rather than putting phrases in inverted commas? For instance, why not use the word “alleged”. What’s with the ‘racial assault’? Such lazy reporting (as usual). Apologetic arse-coverers!

It doesn't even need alleged. Two arrested on suspicion of racial assault in park is both factually accurate and a brief enough summary for a headline.

 

[Pross]

I don't know where you are based, but, the 25 years, before Brexit, in this area was simply a continuation of decline from the loss of employment, in the 25 years before that (Shipyards gone, Coal Mines gone, Engineering almost gone).

South Wales. We’d already lost most of the heavy industry but there had been a lot of inward investment especially in automotive and electronics through the 90s. After the early 90s recession the economy picked up well (Labour won at a really good time IMHO).

 

[Pblakeney]

It doesn't even need alleged. Two arrested on suspicion of racial assault in park is both factually accurate and a brief enough summary for a headline.

You’d think but these days “in suspicion” = “alleged” = “guilty”.

 

[Xipe Totec]

I find the BBC reporting more and more bizarre. What’s wrong with using meaningful words in titles, rather than putting phrases in inverted commas? For instance, why not use the word “alleged”. What’s with the ‘racial assault’? Such lazy reporting (as usual). Apologetic arse-coverers!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx27xj85y5lo

It's maybe in case the narrative gets changed and the pair of racist attackers need to be elevated to the status of national heroes.

Tommy & Elon have probably already spread their versions across Twitler.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

You live in the UK. I don't. I live in the EU. I also speak other languages, though not Dutch.

True and i agree with your criticism on the UK when we where still in the EU and didn't fully use this system, however you're missing my point even *if* we had used it full it wouldn't have changed a thing.

The Dublin 3 system is being phased out and AMMR is being phased in - around June 2026 from memory. It intends to operate more fairly on those countries facing the highest burdens. The UK will not be included, because of Brexit.

Yes, the good old EU trick *if it doesn't work give it an other name* the problem is not the immigrants it certain types of immigrants. no not even all boat immigrants but an even smaller group but it is an highly problematic group.
And unless we starting to put normal peoples and legitimate immigrants interest first and find way to really deal with that smaller group the smaller group becomes bigger and the problem becomes even harder to manage as we have seen in the past 10/20 years.

Will it work any better? Possibly not, because few countries have the administrative capacity in place.

As long as they can cross any EU shengen border off course it doesn't. and temporary checks don't help either. (See Germany for example)

Regarding your points about human rights in an earlier post - it's almost as if you don't expect that every cohort will contain bad apples. Yes there will always be migrant people who do terrible things, just as British tourists abroad commit terrible crimes.

The point is not that there are always ''rotten apples'' or bad people the point is that due to human rights we live in a world where people from the Uk can and will get extradited back to the uk but people from Afghanistan and Syria don't. (to give just a few examples) And yes i get the point about human rights and such but we knew this lot would be arriving back in 2016(and earlier) and still no additional checks where done and still are not really being done. If we would have done that we might have said ''we won't let you in because you work or worked for Assad as a torturer'' or you are a terrorist so bye bye etc. But we didn't instead we leave high school children to find out the guy who says he is 18 is actually 28 and stuff like that.


Are you really surprised about the outrage? and or distrust?

The UK has a long record of sex tourism abroad. Those voicing ''legitimate concerns'' about migrant people implicated in abhorrent crimes in this country are absolutely silent about the sexual exploitation of children in places like Thailand. It's also come to public notice that many of the 'flag shaggers'' variously protesting outside hotels, forcing entry into hotels, setting fire to hotels, have been identified as wife beaters and child molesters.

Two wrongs do not make one right and such, i also fail to see the relevance at no point i defended these people and i have no intent to do so. do you ever read before you respond? or do you just try to ''dazzle with BS'' so it makes whatever you write look more interesting? or did co-pilot add this?

Listen to the same group of aggrieved people in the UK, and you'll hear them making jokes about ''kiddy fiddling''.

The removal of human rights in the UK, will simultaneously emancipate the legal structures and statutes of legal protections, including for woman and girls.

Yes but currently we have human rights legally but not actually and the ones having their rights taken are Gays, Lesbians, transgender people women and girls and in some cases men.
That's what happens if the law is not enforced and certain actors are starting to make their own laws often helped by outdated religious views of the world.

 

[CXRAndy]

Government to sieze the initiative by making difficult forillegal immigrants families to come and join them. They have to provide assurance they can support themselves.

OR

Apply for a much needed work visa
Like dog walking, sweeping the steps of the hotel where they're staying or fast food delivery

 

[BoldonLad]

South Wales. We’d already lost most of the heavy industry but there had been a lot of inward investment especially in automotive and electronics through the 90s. After the early 90s recession the economy picked up well (Labour won at a really good time IMHO).

Sounds similar to here, except, other than Nissan, we didn’t get the inward investment