Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

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Meanwhile the BBC's Chris Mason, justifying his salary as a spokesman for Reform the BBC Political Editor opined that Starmer wouldn't have had the problem with the UK Ambassador in Washington if he had appointed Farage rather than Mandelson.
 
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midlandsgrimpeur

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Meanwhile the BBC's Chris Mason, justifying his salary as a spokesman for Reform the BBC Political Editor opined that Starmer wouldn't have had the problem with the UK Ambassador in Washington if he had appointed Farage rather than Mandelson.

Jesus, did he really say that? I can't decide if he really believes this crap or is just sucking up to Robbie Gibb.
 
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Jesus, did he really say that? I can't decide if he really believes this crap or is just sucking up to Robbie Gibb.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgvexelmkgo

Oh and one final thought.

I just bumped into a senior Westminster figure who pondered a once hypothetical which never happened.

Just imagine if the prime minister had appointed Nigel Farage as the UK's Ambassador in Washington, as was talked up by some (including Farage himself).

Extraordinary as it would have been, it would have avoided this row, and put the man who has become Sir Keir Starmer's biggest threat out of political harms way.

How different our political debate and the fortunes of some of its biggest parties might have been.
 
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At least when his BBC career ends he has a nice little job waiting for him as Reform's head of comms 😂

Put it together with his reporting of their conference, and it's quite a strong job application.

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Isn’t that him passing on someone else’s comment rather than him saying it? Then again, I sometimes wonder if ‘sources’ are a way for journalists to give their opinion without giving their opinion

I think he takes the comment and then elaborates. But even just putting this at the end of the piece gives it a prominence which fits a pattern for Mason. I mean, he could have equally have said that appointing Jeremy Corbyn or Liz Truss would have avoided the embarrassment of Mandelson. But no, Farage is his man of the moment.
 

midlandsgrimpeur

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I think he takes the comment and then elaborates. But even just putting this at the end of the piece gives it a prominence which fits a pattern for Mason. I mean, he could have equally have said that appointing Jeremy Corbyn or Liz Truss would have avoided the embarrassment of Mandelson. But no, Farage is his man of the moment.

This is definitely Mason's MO, he regularly pulls this trick of quoting a source and then reinforcing it to present a very particular angle, but always done with a "some might say" air of faux impartiality.
 

Psamathe

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I think he takes the comment and then elaborates. But even just putting this at the end of the piece gives it a prominence which fits a pattern for Mason. I mean, he could have equally have said that appointing Jeremy Corbyn or Liz Truss would have avoided the embarrassment of Mandelson. But no, Farage is his man of the moment.
It does and whilst I agree that BBC coverage of Reform is just way way OTT, prior to Mandleson being appointed Farage was really pushing himself forward for the posting, very public job application.

But I disagree with Mason about with Farage as ambassador he'd not be causing a scandal and being out of the way. Farage is a Trump sycophant and narcissist so would never be pursuing the UK Government agenda but his own personal agenda - would have blown-up long ago.
 
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This is definitely Mason's MO, he regularly pulls this trick of quoting a source and then reinforcing it to present a very particular angle, but always done with a "some might say" air of faux impartiality.

I once had a ridiculous argument with someone who was claiming that some news source or other was unbiased, and I pointed out that even just the order you present news in gives different prominence to their perceived importance (e.g. at the moment, leading loads of bulletins with how many people have arrived in boats amplifies it way beyond its actual statistical significance), even if the reporting was just factual. Different sources with different agendas make conscious choices about the order, very obviously.

Equally, how you start and end a report (and the headline, obviously) is how you sway your audience to your agenda.

And notice how Mason doesn't actually give an attributable quote in quotation marks, so what the 'source' actually said and what is Mason's opinion is very unclear. As slippery as a slippery thing.
 

Psamathe

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And notice how Mason doesn't actually give an attributable quote in quotation marks, so what the 'source' actually said and what is Mason's opinion is very unclear. As slippery as a slippery thing.
It is a concerning aspect with several of the political commentators, primarily BBC who seem to be continually expounding un-attributable "many in the <x> are you<y> ...". Sounds authoritative but nobody knows how much is real, how much MPs are using them to pursue an agenda, etc. Sounds convincing but requires a lot of trust without reason to trust, particularly when you see eg Reform getting disproportionate airtime and inadequate scrutiny.
 

spen666

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Bang on cue this morning. Almost as if we had our fingers on the pulse!

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...ver-extent-of-reform-uk-nigel-farage-coverage

Could it be that any or a combination of the following are factors:
1. Reform are doing things that are of more interest to the majority of the public
2. Reform are better at getting their message across
3. Reform make their spokespeople more available than other parties

No party/ interest group has any right to be mentioned in the news ( Election times excepted)
 
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