Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

[BoldonLad]

We are an ageing population. A large number of the economically inactive appeared since the pandemic. As a balanced leftie, it annoys me not only how blunt the front bench welfare proposals were, but how simplisticly obstructive the numpty backbenchers were about welfare reforms.

Yes, agreed. No wonder Rachel was shedding tears. I think she had just visited a Wetherspoons.

 

[BoldonLad]

Make babies pay taxes!! Freeloaders.

Technically, babies/children are liable for income tax, if their income is large enough.

Maybe we could put VAT on nappies, children’s clothes etc? 😊

 

[First Aspect]

The 9+ million is people aged 16-64, so, not oaps.

No doubt there are carers in there, and, chronically ill, but, not all 9 million.

It would be good to have some objective assessment of the need for immigration

For the record, I’m not against immigration.

Economically inactive people* are like the drain, immigration and having children are the tap.

The need for immigration is that UK birth rates are at about 1.8 per couple and falling. It is worse in other countries. So how do you maintain the size of the working age population over the coming 10 years? It is not by telling people to go home.

*Who, given the substantial increase in their numbers in recent years we suppose include at least some lazy bastards

 

[First Aspect]

Yes, based on anecdotal evidence, I would agree. Even among the refugees there are, I am told some working illegally, no doubt doing jobs the cohort you mention will not get out of bed for.

No. Based on ONS data.

 

[BoldonLad]

No. Based on ONS data.

I meant that even I had noticed it. Almost without exception Amazon delivery drivers are not native English speakers. I haven’t yet worked out a reason why they are almost exclusively male (toilet “facilities” possibly?

 

[briantrumpet]

Looks like Farage wants to follow Trump down the anti-science rabbit hole, but can't quite bring himself to say it...

 

[Pblakeney]

Yes, I did that too, but 9+ million, of us, I don’t think so.

Indeed. A fair percentage of the 9+ million will have legitimate reasons.
The original premise was about lazy bar stewards on benefits draining the system. It's not 9+ million, how many is it?

 

[briantrumpet]

I meant that even I had noticed it. Almost without exception Amazon delivery drivers are not native English speakers. I haven’t yet worked out a reason why they are almost exclusively male (toilet “facilities” possibly?

Good job that they are willing to do jobs that not enough British people will do.

 

[First Aspect]

Looks like Farage wants to follow Trump down the anti-science rabbit hole, but can't quite bring himself to say it...

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Believe it or not what he said is much worse. Thalidomide is like paracetamol. I'll just float that out there and let the intelligent and unthinking people who follow me figure out what to do with that analogy.

Wait for him to comment on cocktails of vaccines. I wouldn't put it past him to mention Josef Mengele.

 

[briantrumpet]

Believe it or not what he said is much worse. Thalidomide is like paracetamol. I'll just float that out there and let the intelligent and unthinking people who follow me figure out what to do with that analogy.

Wait for him to comment on cocktails of vaccines. I wouldn't put it past him to mention Josef Mengele.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that these kinds of truly dangerous statements will start to open eyes about Farage, but that'll only happen if he's relentlessly probed on each one rather than given the free pass he normally gets.

 

[CXRAndy]

Believe it or not what he said is much worse. Thalidomide is like paracetamol. I'll just float that out there and let the intelligent and unthinking people who follow me figure out what to do with that analogy.

Wait for him to comment on cocktails of vaccines. I wouldn't put it past him to mention Josef Mengele.

Post a link or clip to Farage actually saying that in bold.

I searched the phrase you posted and it didn't appear

 

[BoldonLad]

Indeed. A fair percentage of the 9+ million will have legitimate reasons.
The original premise was about lazy bar stewards on benefits draining the system. It's not 9+ million, how many is it?

Who knows?

 

[BoldonLad]

Good job that they are willing to do jobs that not enough British people will do.

True, otherwise, I wouldn’t get my Amazon deliveries, would I?

 

[Stevo 666]

They’re the biggest threat to all parties. The Tories could be more or less wiped out by them.

To be fair, I'm not sure that the Fib Dums actually need wiping out. They've done that on their own.

 

[AuroraSaab]

It does. Thankfully immigrants are proportionally more economically active than the average fat gormless Daily Mail reader with a half empty tin of red paint.

Isn't that because of late the UK cohort being counted included a high proportion of retired people, whereas the immigrant cohort being counted included mostly young working age eastern Europeans? They'll get old and contribute less eventually too.

There are some sound arguments for immigration, not least that we need people to work in jobs like social care. That requires controlling who comes though as they need certain skills and good English. The idea that every immigrant who arrives here illegally - which is the cohort we are currently discussing - is going to be beneficial to the economy simply isn't true.