Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

[Pblakeney]

Very true.
But it doesn’t always work. Danny Baker apologised immediately for his silly tweet about Harry and Megan’s baby.
But has been permanently cancelled and never worked on TV again.
Yet other people who have said worse about Megan still work in high profile jobs.

I'd happily accept that they were just looking for an excuse to get rid of him.

 

[BoldonLad]

I thought I had mentioned that all of our daughters friends report the same across hospitality and retail, and it applies to the "permanent" staff as well as part time. We hear the same from people we know who work on those fields. Maybe there are geographical variations, but other than established manufacturing businesses, overtime seems to be a thing of the past around here.

Don't you have any NHS facilities, Nursing Homes or Care Homes in your area?

I did mention Nurses. Does the NHS come under "established manufacturing business". There are approximately 300,000 Nurses employed in NHS. Most if not all would be earning less than £75,000pa, I would guess. Nurses are paid for overtime. That 300,000 does not include those employed in the care sector (mostly private sector).

Personally, I despise Farage and Reform, but, that does not mean yjat this particular "policy" will not have significant appeal to a large number of people.

 

[C R]

Don't you have any NHS facilities, Nursing Homes or Care Homes in your area?

I did mention Nurses. Does the NHS come under "established manufacturing business". There are approximately 300,000 Nurses employed in NHS. Most if not all would be earning less than £75,000pa, I would guess. Nurses are paid for overtime. That 300,000 does not include those employed in the care sector (mostly private sector).

Personally, I despise Farage and Reform, but, that does not mean yjat this particular "policy" will not have significant appeal to a large number of people.

It doesn't look like overtime is a straightforward thing in nursing either

https://advancestudy.org/do-nurses-get-paid-overtime-in-the-uk/

Overtime and weekend pay and bank holiday pay are not as common as they used to be.

 

[classic33]

I think it depends. So many relevant variables about when you draw a line.

eg Trump's Access Hollywood tapes (the "I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. ... Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything."). He wasn't a politician, just a TV personality. Should we ignore it as "pre-politician stupidity" or should be consider it along with current behaviour?

TV "personality", already in the public eye when he made the comment. If he'd continued in TV, would we expect that remark to be forgotten if he said something similar at a later date.

The fact that the person who made the remark is now in politics shouldn't absolve him from something he said when working in TV.

"work in TV" corrected to working in TV in edit.

 

[BoldonLad]

It doesn't look like overtime is a straightforward thing in nursing either

https://advancestudy.org/do-nurses-get-paid-overtime-in-the-uk/

Overtime and weekend pay and bank holiday pay are not as common as they used to be.

I didn't think the question was "is overtime straight forward", nor, did I think the question was about "overtime Premium" (ie time and a half, double time etc).

 

[icowden]

I did mention Nurses. Does the NHS come under "established manufacturing business". There are approximately 300,000 Nurses employed in NHS. Most if not all would be earning less than £75,000pa, I would guess. Nurses are paid for overtime. That 300,000 does not include those employed in the care sector (mostly private sector).

Base rate for newly qualified basic Nurse is £32083 rising to £39k. Nurse Consultant or Matron is £57,528 rising to £64k - although you can add 8.5k onto that if you are working in inner London.

 

[BoldonLad]

Base rate for newly qualified basic Nurse is £32083 rising to £39k. Nurse Consultant or Matron is £57,528 rising to £64k - although you can add 8.5k onto that if you are working in inner London.

And?

 

[Pross]

Don't you have any NHS facilities, Nursing Homes or Care Homes in your area?

I did mention Nurses. Does the NHS come under "established manufacturing business". There are approximately 300,000 Nurses employed in NHS. Most if not all would be earning less than £75,000pa, I would guess. Nurses are paid for overtime. That 300,000 does not include those employed in the care sector (mostly private sector).

Personally, I despise Farage and Reform, but, that does not mean yjat this particular "policy" will not have significant appeal to a large number of people.

My mum was a nursing assistant and from memory weekends, Bank Holidays etc. were included in a shift allowance. If people worked additional shifts it was handled through a 'bank' system which was more like an internal agency (this did pay higher rates for weekends or public holidays) so I suspect that Reform would class that as secondary employment rather than overtime.

In social care, where my wife works, the support workers do get paid overtime but many refuse to do anything above 15 hours due to impact on their in-work benefits (my wife only gets TOIL as a member of management). I could see Reform cutting in-work benefits so maybe the tax free overtime would become tempting in that situation. I can imagine things like cuts to benefits being the way this would get funded if it ever did happen.

 

[BoldonLad]

My mum was a nursing assistant and from memory weekends, Bank Holidays etc. were included in a shift allowance. If people worked additional shifts it was handled through a 'bank' system which was more like an internal agency (this did pay higher rates for weekends or public holidays) so I suspect that Reform would class that as secondary employment rather than overtime.

In social care, where my wife works, the support workers do get paid overtime but many refuse to do anything above 15 hours due to impact on their in-work benefits (my wife only gets TOIL as a member of management). I could see Reform cutting in-work benefits so maybe the tax free overtime would become tempting in that situation. I can imagine things like cuts to benefits being the way this would get funded if it ever did happen.

Yes, one of my daughters is a supporter worker, single, no children, so no in work benefits, she works (paid) overtime almost every week out of necessity.

Another daughter is an advanced nurse practioner, in a GP Surgey. Not sure her exact earnings, but, is a higher rate tax payer. When she works overtime, she has the choice, £ or TOIL, she invariably chooses TOIL.

 

[Psamathe]

Never been paid overtime through my entire working life and all permanent jobs I was always doing way way more than contracted hours (typically 12+ hr days 7 days a week). Holidays were "unusual" and rarely any taken. One company I worked for, whilst it wasn't policy and wasn't offered, at the end of each year if you had unused leave above the allowed carry over then MD would pay you bonus of your salary pro-rata'd for the days you could not take/carry over (apparently technically illegal but also technically you were not being paid for not taking holiday but paid a "discretionary end of year bonus").

 

[BoldonLad]

Never been paid overtime through my entire working life and all permanent jobs I was always doing way way more than contracted hours (typically 12+ hr days 7 days a week). Holidays were "unusual" and rarely any taken. One company I worked for, whilst it wasn't policy and wasn't offered, at the end of each year if you had unused leave above the allowed carry over then MD would pay you bonus of your salary pro-rata'd for the days you could not take/carry over (apparently technically illegal but also technically you were not being paid for not taking holiday but paid a "discretionary end of year bonus").

Let me guess, you never worked in the care sector, as a resident doctor, as a lower pay grade civil servant, in a car factory on production line, a factory on shop floor, a building site as a tradesman, no doubt more 😊

As it happens, I never had a permenant job where I was paid for overtime. In my software contractor days, I did sometimes have day rate contracts, meaning I got paid for all hours worked.

 

[briantrumpet]

Anna Turley implicitly saying Farage is bullshitting. Over to you Naughty Nige... "relevant authorities"... my arse!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/27/nigel-farage-phone-hacking-claims
https://www.google.com/preferences/source?q=theguardian.com

The Labour chair has given Nigel Farage 24 hours to report to security services the claim that his phone was hacked by Russia-linked actors or the party will do it for him.

In a letter to the Reform UK leader, Anna Turley said it was “in the public and national interest” to ensure that a suspected overseas hack of a senior politician’s phone by a hostile state was properly investigated.

A Reform spokesperson said the incident had been reported to “the relevant authorities”, without saying who these were.

 

[Pblakeney]

Anna Turley implicitly saying Farage is bullshitting. Over to you Naughty Nige... "relevant authorities"... my arse!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/27/nigel-farage-phone-hacking-claims
https://www.google.com/preferences/source?q=theguardian.com

The response is predictable.
Infamy! They've got it in for me!

 

[Pross]

Are the relevant authorities Chris Mason?

 

[briantrumpet]

I'm confused. This word cloud for Nigel Farage includes "A**hole", but not C*nt". Surely some mistake?

That should be "A***hole", given we're British.