Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

[briantrumpet]

I've been saying this for 18 months. If you want to know what a Reform government would look like, simply look across the pond.
Except our government is not so easily overrun. I hope.

At the moment, I don't think the UK has the equivalent of the God nutters or the gun nutters as the US has (or at least, not in such numbers), which is the richest ground for irrational opinions. Sure, Farage has shown that there is a portion of the voting public who in desperation will vote for unicorns and/or racism (that's been a constant of all democracies), but I share your (probably naive) hope that the UK can avoid a Trump, as there does still (just) appear to be a point at which enough people won't indulge the nutters and will tell them to fuck off. It does need a functioning media though, which is not assured.

 

[secretsqirrel]

At the moment, I don't think the UK has the equivalent of the God nutters or the gun nutters as the US has (or at least, not in such numbers), which is the richest ground for irrational opinions. Sure, Farage has shown that there is a portion of the voting public who in desperation will vote for unicorns and/or racism (that's been a constant of all democracies), but I share your (probably naive) hope that the UK can avoid a Trump, as there does still (just) appear to be a point at which enough people won't indulge the nutters and will tell them to fuck off. It does need a functioning media though, which is not assured.

Another cultural oddity is that there is a mistrust of the filthy rich in this country from some quarters which you don’t get in US

 

[Pblakeney]

At the moment, I don't think the UK has the equivalent of the God nutters or the gun nutters as the US has (or at least, not in such numbers), which is the richest ground for irrational opinions. Sure, Farage has shown that there is a portion of the voting public who in desperation will vote for unicorns and/or racism (that's been a constant of all democracies), but I share your (probably naive) hope that the UK can avoid a Trump, as there does still (just) appear to be a point at which enough people won't indulge the nutters and will tell them to fuck off. It does need a functioning media though, which is not assured.

My thinking is that it is harder for a PM to become a dictator than a President can, as it appears.
And yes, the voters are more likely to be more proactive should someone try.

 

[Beebo]

My thinking is that it is harder for a PM to become a dictator than a President can, as it appears.
And yes, the voters are more likely to be more proactive should someone try.

And a vote of no confidence is fairly easy to organise. Especially if the majority is small and the speaker has good authority.

 

[briantrumpet]

Fantastic response from both main parties.
Neither are fielding a candidate.
Farage now just looks very foolish.
I don’t think this decision was wargamed properly.

I'm wondering if Starmer will be talking to Count Binface to persuade him not to stand, or whether the prospect of CB beating Farage is just too good not to see.If CB loses, Farage would still look a prat and the invretigation would continue. If CB wins... hahahahahaha!

 

[briantrumpet]

Have to wonder if he'll make it as far as a by-election though. Looks like Coutts knew exactly what they were doing when they closed his account.

 

[First Aspect]

Hopefully the Greens will stand and split the pro-unicorn vote.

Even though we do t have fundamentalist gun toting white supremacists in such numbers here, I think it's increasingly difficult for Farage to avoid the appearance of being sponsored by several of them.

 

[C R]

At the moment, I don't think the UK has the equivalent of the God nutters or the gun nutters as the US has (or at least, not in such numbers), which is the richest ground for irrational opinions. Sure, Farage has shown that there is a portion of the voting public who in desperation will vote for unicorns and/or racism (that's been a constant of all democracies), but I share your (probably naive) hope that the UK can avoid a Trump, as there does still (just) appear to be a point at which enough people won't indulge the nutters and will tell them to fuck off. It does need a functioning media though, which is not assured.

Brexit?

 

[First Aspect]

If Count Binface stands, he may split the loony bin vote .

 

[briantrumpet]

Brexit?

That certainly goes in the minus column, but eventually the voters caught up and booted the perpetraitors (SWIDT?) out, despite the would-be PM being deeply boring. But the US voted Trump back in.

 

[BoldonLad]

Would it not be preferable for Labour, Tory, Lib-dem, even Green, stand against him (Farage), and, one of them win, otherwise, it risks looking as if they are afraid of him?

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

Would it not be preferable for Labour, Tory, Lib-dem, even Green, stand against him (Farage), and, one of them win, otherwise, it risks looking as if they are afraid of him?

I don't think it makes them afraid. Possibly makes him a pariah in some eyes, which could play into his hands under his so called anti-establishment credentials. On the other it could just shine a light on what is undoubtedly a sad little stunt.

 

[BoldonLad]

I don't think it makes them afraid. Possibly makes him a pariah in some eyes, which could play into his hands under his so called anti-establishment credentials. On the other it could just shine a light on what is undoubtedly a sad little stunt.

I don’t think you are typical of the voting, and none voting, demographic 😊

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

I don’t think you are typical of the voting, and none voting, demographic 😊

Perhaps not, but if they don't stand I could easily see Farage trying to turn himself even more into the victim. Possibly spinning it as the 'established parties' don't even care enough to win your votes, this is typical Westminster arrogance etc etc.

 

[briantrumpet]

It's one way of not trying to deny the allegations, though I'm not sure it's going to work.