Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

[Pblakeney]

I can imagine a scenario. “Can I resign and re-stand?”
“Are you sure that you really want to?”

 

[C R]

He came close to suggesting Farage’s ‘gamble’ could be a political master stroke on the 6 o’clock news.

Mason is right for the reasons mentioned above. We are being complacent about Farage.

 

[C R]

It's an interesting point. I guess that it could be argued that a by-election against a joke candidate, brought about by an MP trying to evade scrutiny for his dodgy finances, is a subversion of parliamentary process, so his resignation is not accepted. But if they accept it, it's going to be hilarious. If Farage 'wins', it will be internationally seen as a joke, and the investigation can resume. If he loses... well...

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Trump is seen internationally as a joke, that doesn't stop him being a dangerous joke.

 

[briantrumpet]

It's an interesting point. I guess that it could be argued that a by-election against a joke candidate, brought about by an MP trying to evade scrutiny for his dodgy finances, is a subversion of parliamentary process, so his resignation is not accepted. But if they accept it, it's going to be hilarious. If Farage 'wins', it will be internationally seen as a joke, and the investigation can resume. If he loses... well...

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And there is precedent for refusing to accept a resignation... because it would hamper an ongoing investigation into bribery.

 

[briantrumpet]

Mason is right for the reasons mentioned above. We are being complacent about Farage.

You'll have to talk me through how this could be a masterstroke. I can't see any way he 'wins' out of this, unless Parliament (and the press) just gave up investigating him if he were to win the by-election. In the meantime, all the focus is going to be on his financial shenanigans.

 

[Dorset Boy]

Over to Rachel from Accounts to decide whether or not Fagash can resign

 

[C R]

You'll have to talk me through how this could be a masterstroke. I can't see any way he 'wins' out of this, unless Parliament (and the press) just gave up investigating him if he were to win the by-election. In the meantime, all the focus is going to be on his financial shenanigans.

It burnishes his man of the people who says it like it is fighting the blob image. If he runs as the only candidate he further gets to point out how scared the establishment are of him.

Farage is not doing this to convince you or me that we are wrong about him. He is doing this to further erode the democratic process in the eyes of his supporters. He has changed the narrative from talking dodgy money to how the establishment wants to shut him down. It is a master stroke.

 

[Pblakeney]

It burnishes his man of the people who says it like it is fighting the blob image. If he runs as the only candidate he further gets to point out how scared the establishment are of him.

He can claim that but it doesn't make it true. Like most of his claims.
The other parties are just keeping their powder dry as there is no point in firing prematurely. Right now he just looks silly.

 

[C R]

He can claim that but it doesn't make it true. Like most of his claims.
The other parties are just keeping their powder dry as there is no point in firing prematurely. Right now he just looks silly.

It doesn't need to be true, just plausible to his base. He may look silly to us, but we are not the audience of this play. Have we learned nothing from the US?

 

[Pblakeney]

It doesn't need to be true, just plausible to his base. He may look silly to us, but we are not the audience of this play. Have we learned nothing from the US?

His base is not enough to win come the election.
As long as the majority see through his corruption we will be fine.

 

[First Aspect]

It's possible there will be a vote to prevent him stepping down, due to the ongoing investigation. That would be hilarious.

 

[secretsqirrel]

I’ll say one thing for him, looking through the papers today he seems to have united right and left. Quite an achievement.

 

[C R]

His base is not enough to win come the election.
As long as the majority see through his corruption we will be fine.

Brexit.

 

[All uphill]

I see it as I think you see it @C R

The erosion of trust - "they are all the same" ,

Testing and breaching norms and boundaries.

It's very difficult for organisations to deal with someone who acts in bad faith.

 

[Ian H]

Was it Nadine wotsername who said she'd resign her seat but then failed to do so for months if not longer?
Let's wait until Farage actually puts things in progress.