Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

It burnishes his man of the people who says it like it is fighting the blob image. If he runs as the only candidate he further gets to point out how scared the establishment are of him.

Think part of winning something he knows he most likely will win is also a way to try and force Burnham to call for snap elections.

 

[Beebo]

Think part of winning something he knows he most likely will win is also a way to try and force Burnham to call for snap elections.

That doesn’t work.
Because by Farage’s weird logic if you win a by election you have achieved some sort of mandate from the people.

 

[C R]

That doesn’t work.
Because by Farage’s weird logic if you win a by election you have achieved some sort of mandate from the people.

The logic in here is to cause maximum damage to the institutions, as @All uphill said, we are dealing with bad faith, not cluelessness.

 

[secretsqirrel]

The logic in here is to cause maximum damage to the institutions, as @All uphill said, we are dealing with bad faith, not cluelessness.

You right to express caution. Although Truss has a similar argument about fighting the blob, nobody takes her seriously. Farage is deliberately pulling at the ‘under-dog’ heart strings which will reach people because fairness is often touted as a ‘British‘ value.

He is utterly repulsive to me

 

[Pblakeney]

Brexit.

In which case we get what we deserve.
Like Brexit.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

That doesn’t work.
Because by Farage’s weird logic if you win a by election you have achieved some sort of mandate from the people.

It's the same as Farage "man of the people" pitch, he isn't, he isn't an political outsider either, he's been in politics for years. But that doesn't stop hm from claiming otherwise.
Well i would argue there is some point in winning an election, however what i think he most likely is going to do claiming he won an local election with hardly any opposition somehow justifies forcing an national by election is a bit weird.

 

[secretsqirrel]

It's the same as Farage "man of the people" pitch, he isn't, he isn't an political outsider either, he's been in politics for years. But that doesn't stop hm from claiming otherwise.
Well i would argue there is some point in winning an election, however what i think he most likely is going to do claiming he won an local election with hardly any opposition somehow justifies forcing an national by election is a bit weird.

It is weird because calling an early election is completely in Labour’s gift.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

It is weird because calling an early election is completely in Labour’s gift.

I don't know if that's true to be honest, i do think Farage and co think they make a good chance probably helped by Daily fail/sun and friends claims.

 

[briantrumpet]

The logic in here is to cause maximum damage to the institutions, as @All uphill said, we are dealing with bad faith, not cluelessness.

Oh sure, he can do that generally, but as a tactic, I think this one is completely misjudged. I think enough people will be laughing at him that his feigned outrage will only add to the laughter, and he's someone who wants to be taken seriously. I think it'll diminish his ability to damage institutions, but I might be wrong, given that up till now he's been extremely effective. But that has been with a largely complicit press, which will be harder to sustain if he is simply someone to laugh at and with all the financial baggage that's coming out.

 

[Dorset Boy]

 

[Stevo 666]

What more proof can you have than people who want Reform policies vote reform and those that don't, don't. Do you want me to also proove that black is black and white is white?

Not sure you understood my question to MG, but it's for him to answer if he can/wants to.

 

[Stevo 666]

Or what @Stevo 666 wants? Common sense innit Stevo?
Anyhow here's a Leftie for you Stevo.
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If you want to post pics of yourself on the internet, that's up to you.

 

[Stevo 666]

I genuinely don't understand your point. Reform voters want what Reform is offering, Labour voters want what Labour is offering etc. There is no such thing as "voters" as we all vote for a party. Therefore Reform is catering to Reform voters, just as Labour is catering to Labour voters

Just reform voters? If so then why are other parties putting forward similar policies if they don't think that's what enough voters want, e.g. on immigration. Regardless of how distatsteful the wokerati of CCNCAP think those policies might be Show me its just Reform voters who want those sorts of policies.

 

[BoldonLad]

It doesn't need to be true, just plausible to his base. He may look silly to us, but we are not the audience of this play. Have we learned nothing from the US?

Quite

 

[briantrumpet]

Ah, that's put me right.