Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

[Joey Shabadoo]

Reform hate foreigners but seem peculiarly drawn to their money.

 

[Pblakeney]

Reform hate foreigners but and seem peculiarly drawn to their money.

FTFY. 😉

 

[Pross]

Pure & simple racism. As if there was any doubt.

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Or to put it another way, ‘non-white kids brighter than white kids’.

 

[Pinno718]

I decided to see if I could find who funds Labour. The results came as a surprise to me.

How much has Labour received in donations?Labour has received £368,422,723.84 in total donations from 11508 documented donations.
Who are the top donors to Labour?The top donors to Labour are: House of Commons(£93,482,615.56), Unite the Union (£52,863,405.53), UNISON(£27,954,012.78), GMB (£26,509,609.90), and Union of Shop, Distributive and Allied Workers (USDAW) (£23,290,029.17).
What was the largest single donation to Labour?The largest single donation was £4,000,000.00 from Quadrature Capital Ltd on 28 May 2024.
Who is the biggest overall donor to Labour?The biggest overall donor to Labour is House of Commons with total donations of £93,482,615.56.
Who has made the most donations to Labour?Unite the Union has made the most donations to Labour with 892 separate donations totaling £52,863,405.53.

Very informative, thank you. It adds relativism to the Reform donations.

 

[Pinno718]

Pure & simple racism. As if there was any doubt.

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Asian and far eastern ethnic groups tend to out perform the rest anyway. Perhaps he's made the realisation he's much much thicker than them.

 

[Ian H]

I can see there is a distinction but also that the current way it's structured given the Unions the power and influence.

I do wonder if donations by union membership could be structured differently such that donations move directly from member to their chosen party. Current arrangements do seem to give the Unions power eg

Which does give the impression that the Unions are buying something (or trying to).

Unions don't have the power to protect their members unless they act collectively.

 

[farfromtheland]

Unions don't have the power to protect their members unless they act collectively.

Natch

 

[Psamathe]

Unions don't have the power to protect their members unless they act collectively.

But should protection of members extend to buying influence with politicians?

Eg as example I posted earlier in the thread
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/reform-and-the-death-of-the-tory-party.734/page-311#post-192827

Unite announces cut to Labour membership fees by £580,000​

UK union cutting contributions as talks with Birmingham council fail to reach resolution over bin strike

Unite announced the 40% cut, which will cost Labour as much as £580,000, on the anniversary of the bin strike in Birmingham. in which workers have been pitted against a city council controlled by the party

 

[Pross]

But should protection of members extend to buying influence with politicians?

Eg as example I posted earlier in the thread
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/reform-and-the-death-of-the-tory-party.734/page-311#post-192827

They were founded out of the Unions so it doesn’t seem unreasonable that the Unions seek to influence them albeit going back to the days they were effectively run by the Unions made them virtually unelectable.

 

[Psamathe]

They were founded out of the Unions so it doesn’t seem unreasonable that the Unions seek to influence them albeit going back to the days they were effectively run by the Unions made them virtually unelectable.

Cynic in me considers Reform were founded out of the wealthy vested interests seeking to acquire more personal wealth albeit going back to Brexit ...

Doesn't make it right that money under control of a single interested party be allowed to have disproportionate influence.

Arguing a case in public is fine but to push your case under pressure of donations (offer to donate or threat to withdraw) should not be permitted.

 

[C R]

Cynic in me considers Reform were founded out of the wealthy vested interests seeking to acquire more personal wealth albeit going back to Brexit ...

Doesn't make it right that money under control of a single interested party be allowed to have disproportionate influence.

Arguing a case in public is fine but to push your case under pressure of donations (offer to donate or threat to withdraw) should not be permitted.

The difference is that the unions collectively represent many voices who would have no other means to be heard. The large donors only represent themselves.

 

[Psamathe]

The difference is that the unions collectively represent many voices who would have no other means to be heard. The large donors only represent themselves.

Those "who have no other means to be heard" do have as much voice as anybody else - a vote every few years.

But the funding allows unions to give them a disproportionate voice by "do <x> or we'll look again and our funding Labour".

I'm certainly not trying to defend Reform and their donations but I can see some similarities to some funding to other parties ie "donations" buying influence. Our system should prevent that irrespective of which party is accepting the funding.

 

[Beebo]

Those "who have no other means to be heard" do have as much voice as anybody else - a vote every few years.

But the funding allows unions to give them a disproportionate voice by "do <x> or we'll look again and our funding Labour".

I'm certainly not trying to defend Reform and their donations but I can see some similarities to some funding to other parties ie "donations" buying influence. Our system should prevent that irrespective of which party is accepting the funding.

I do think there is nuance between a union funding the Labour Party for the benefit of the general public, against a billionaire overseas individual with no interest in anything other than themselves.

 

[C R]

I do think there is nuance between a union funding the Labour Party for the benefit of the general public, against a billionaire overseas individual with no interest in anything other than themselves.

What are you, a communist or something? Why do you hate our wealth  hoarders creators?

 

[Beebo]

What are you, a communist or something? Why do you hate our wealth  hoarders creators?

The ones who are so patriotic that they don’t pay UK tax.
I recall Lewis Hamilton getting the full tabloid treatment for living in Monaco.
But then again he’s black.