Reform

[Stevo 666]

If you'll take a moment to straighten your toupee Sir, I provided a critique in support of honest mortgaged tax paying UK landlords.

Fair enough, what about the dodgy tenants? Don't want to generalise but there will be quite a few.

 

[Stevo 666]

I’m pretty ambivalent to the plight of landlords. Opening up property purchase availability is a good thing overall IMO. What’s your view?

Opening up property purchase availability by forcing landlords out of the market is not necessarily a good idea - given the laws of supply and demand, reducing rental supply will push up prices for people who want to/need to rent. I think we have seen this in the market as landlords sell up. Clearly building more will help but that will take a long time. The other option is to reduce the net inflow of people into the country as they all need somewhere to live.

 

[monkers]

Fair enough, what about the dodgy tenants? Don't want to generalise but there will be quite a few.

Your original argument seemed to be grounded in socio-politico- economic concern. I grounded my reply accordingly in that context. It's difficult for me to imagine that changes in law would produce a sudden mass change in tenant behaviour. In a structured comparison of whose behaviour is worst, landlord or tenant, I'm not sure I could predict the probable balance of the outcome.

 

[BoldonLad]

Hoovering up properties off the market, doing them up, renting them out, therefore depriving buyers? Driving people into rentals who would otherwise buy? That kind of thing?

I get that there’s a market for it, and I’m sure you’re making money off the process. I don’t even care all that much - horses for courses and all that. But you are part of the problem. It can’t always be everyone else’s fault can it?

Not a "money makering scheme" I have tried myself, but, since such activity is not actually reducing the number of available dwellings, and, may actually be increasing the number of dwellings available, not sure I understand the "depriving" bit?

 

[pinkbikini]

Not a "money makering scheme" I have tried myself, but, since such activity is not actually reducing the number of available dwellings, and, may actually be increasing the number of dwellings available, not sure I understand the "depriving" bit?

I was skewing my argument a bit to make a point. Treating a house/flat (which is a ‘home’ that most people aspire to) as a ‘business endeavour’ and then complaining that youngsters can’t afford to get on the housing ladder struck me as rather ironic. To then follow up with bragging about business acumen when you’ve been able to purchase a property on a low salary decades ago became hypocritical. To then blame it all on ‘them furriners’ became, as someone put, Orwellian.

I’ve no real issue with those who use property as an income generator, but those people can’t blame lack of supply entirely on others. And that’s what he was trying to do.

 

[pinkbikini]

Opening up property purchase availability by forcing landlords out of the market is not necessarily a good idea - given the laws of supply and demand, reducing rental supply will push up prices for people who want to/need to rent. I think we have seen this in the market as landlords sell up. Clearly building more will help but that will take a long time. The other option is to reduce the net inflow of people into the country as they all need somewhere to live.

Reducing landlord rental ownership might help lower prices of those who want to buy. In combination with other approaches.

A combination of approaches to the problem is what’s needed, I agree. Not everyone seems to though.

 

[BoldonLad]

I was skewing my argument a bit to make a point. Treating a house/flat (which is a ‘home’ that most people aspire to) as a ‘business endeavour’ and then complaining that youngsters can’t afford to get on the housing ladder struck me as rather ironic. To then follow up with bragging about business acumen when you’ve been able to purchase a property on a low salary decades ago became hypocritical. To then blame it all on ‘them furriners’ became, as someone put, Orwellian.

I’ve no real issue with those who use property as an income generator, but those people can’t blame lack of supply entirely on others. And that’s what he was trying to do.

Understood, I wasn't defending any particular Landlord's pronouncements 😂

 

[Ian H]

Reducing landlord rental ownership might help lower prices of those who want to buy. In combination with other approaches.

A combination of approaches to the problem is what’s needed, I agree. Not everyone seems to though.

You're missing the obvious one, which is to let councils build council houses.

 

[monkers]

You're missing the obvious one, which is to let councils build council houses.

That's only permissible following a world war - well isn't that what happened after the last two occasions?

 

[CXRAndy]

 

[monkers]

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With four years remaining ahead of a general election, much could change. The poll is best read as a barometer of public mood at the moment, rather than an indication of what will happen in four years time.

This poll provider doesn't have much reputation for reliability. You could look at one that is more established such as Yougov - and if you do you'll see Reform leading Labour by 5 points. So just a 3 point swing back to Labour from Reform would change the outcome.

With the three parties with the biggest share seeming to involving themselves in a race to the bottom, it isn't an edifying spectacle.

The biggest influencer in how people vote is said to be in response to policies related to the NHS at the moment. In four years time the thing most on people's minds might be more shaped by the prospect or involvement in war.

But to think that right now, this poll means that Reform have won the next general election in four years time is fantasy thinking.

 

[Stevo 666]

With four years remaining ahead of a general election, much could change. The poll is best read as a barometer of public mood at the moment, rather than an indication of what will happen in four years time.

You could argue that is Labours best hope, that there is a lot time before the next GE. Unfortunately given how much they've f***ed it in just 1 year means they have another 4 to do even more damage and make themselves more unpopular.

 

[monkers]

You could argue that is Labours best hope, that there is a lot time before the next GE. Unfortunately given how much they've f***ed it in just 1 year means they have another 4 to do even more damage and make themselves more unpopular.

You are familiar with the electoral cycle though Steevo - make all those 'tough decisions' in the first year while blaming it on the predecessor gives four years to claw your way back. The pattern is too familiar to ignore.

 

[CXRAndy]

Its not a fantasy. It points the finger at the two main parties have failed the British public.

Tories screwed it up, Labour are actually doing a better job

Of screwing it up.

I dont see anything Labour can coke up with to turn the ship around.

If we as a nation are dragged/volunteered into war. Labour will not stand a chance come next election

This is far more than electoral cycles, there is real hatred of the two main parties

 

[Stevo 666]

You are familiar with the electoral cycle though Steevo - make all those 'tough decisions' in the first year while blaming it on the predecessor gives four years to claw your way back. The pattern is too familiar to ignore.

Of course I am Moonkers. What makes you think that Labour are done with all the 'tough decisions'?