Riot!

[Bromptonaut]

I assume that, like most provisions to deal with the exigencies of the pandemic, any extension to the CTL was either time limited or revoked.

@spen666 are there any/many circumstances in which the limit can be extended?

 

[monkers]

Grow up

I have never said you were dangerous.

I said a little knowledge is dangerous and if you know education, then you would perhaps understand the difference between what I said and what you have made up that you claim I said.


Let's get back to the facts, namely the CTL is 182 days as the CPS, the law , and I say and not 8 months as you claim based on your reading a several years put of date article by a campaign group.

Calm down dear. It's not a battleground.

In recent days you've made a mistake in your posts. I've made a mistake too. Try not to get so exercised.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Grow up

I have never said you were dangerous.

I said a little knowledge is dangerous and if you know education, then you would perhaps understand the difference between what I said and what you have made up that you claim I said.


Let's get back to the facts, namely the CTL is 182 days as the CPS, the law , and I say and not 8 months as you claim based on your reading a several years put of date article by a campaign group.

So there, Monkers, the grown ups have spoken.

 

[monkers]

So there, Monkers, the grown ups have spoken.

''Grow up said the daisy to the sunflower'' (words spoken by my grandfather whenever he heard some arrogant fool utter those words).

 

[spen666]

I assume that, like most provisions to deal with the exigencies of the pandemic, any extension to the CTL was either time limited or revoked.

@spen666 are there any/many circumstances in which the limit can be extended?

Very few, and very limited. It is rare that a CTL would be extended and once a CTL has expired, it cannot retrospectively be extended, so a person would have to be remanded on bail ( albeit subject to conditions)(

 

[matticus]

The author of the petition seems to think that its only aggravated burglary and criminal damage. Well Aggravated Burglary can carry life imprisonment, so its not that minor sn offence
Looking at the allegations and the sentencing council guidelines, if proven, the case would be a category 1 harm and high culpability case, given the amount of planning, high value of damage and serious injuries caused to 2 police officers. The sentencing starting point ofr such a matter is 10 years imprisonment

Yeah, serious offences. Once you injure police officers during your break-in like that, you can only expect to have the book thrown at you.
IMO this is in a different league to soup-throwing, or protest marches. They can hardly call this "non-violent protest" :-(

 

[spen666]

An interesting development in this story

https://is.gd/cEeQw5


Not that it in anyway justifies any rioting, but somewill see a cover up during the summer by the powers that be given these apparent revelations

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Here’s a link that’s not been obfuscated and an idea of what it’s about…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

The teenager accused of murdering three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an al-Qaeda training manual.​

Axel Rudakubana, 18, has been charged with production of a biological toxin contrary to Section 1 of the Biological Weapons Act 1974.​

He has also been charged with possessing a PDF document of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing to or preparing an act of terrorism, contrary to Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000.​

The accused will appear at Westminster Magistrates' Court on Wednesday.​

Merseyside Police's Chief Constable Serena Kennedy said that the force would continue to lead the investigation into the stabbings on 29 July. ​

Counter Terrorism Police have not declared the matter a terrorist incident.​

Both the ricin and the study of the training manual were found as part of searches of the suspect's house in the Lancashire village of Banks following the stabbing. ​

Ricin is a highly toxic poison naturally derived from castor oil plants.​

 

[Bromptonaut]

Not that it in anyway justifies any rioting, but somewill see a cover up during the summer by the powers that be given these apparent revelations

Do you, as someone versed in the law, think there is a 'cover up'?

 

[qigong chimp]

Do you, as someone versed in the law...

What the fuck is going on?

 

[AndyRM]

Do you, as someone versed in the law, think there is a 'cover up'?

Expect something along the lines of "it's not for me to say"...

Which is probably for the best, you wouldn't want to distract from the important work of finding link compressors for no particular reason.

 

[spen666]

Do you, as someone versed in the law, think there is a 'cover up'?

"Being versed in the law" as you put it is irrelevant as to whether I think there is a cover up or not.

I know what was in the article I linked to, but nothing more, nor do I know the answer to lots of other questions such as when did they know they had found ricin & similar with manual. There is a big difference between them knowing immediately after the arrest it was ricin and he had that manual compared to only knowing recently after forensic test on substance and a detailed review of all files on computer.

So, can I answer your question? Not without further information I would have to say.

 

[matticus]

I think a brown person did something bad. I also think they may have done some VERY bad things, but it's for the courts to say, not me.
This may be justification for rioting, I couldn't say.
Some will say it justifies burning hotels full of brown families, but I wouldn't go that far. Not without more information.

 

[spen666]

I think a brown person did something bad. I also think they may have done some VERY bad things, but it's for the courts to say, not me.
This may be justification for rioting, I couldn't say.
Some will say it justifies burning hotels full of brown families, but I wouldn't go that far. Not without more information.

Interesting you bring colour of skin and other things into play

I have simply explained why I am not in a position to give an opinion on a question of a cover up.That is that I am lacking necessary information to make an informed answer

 

[Bromptonaut]

"Being versed in the law" as you put it is irrelevant as to whether I think there is a cover up or not.

I'll stick my neck out and say, on the facts we know, there is no cover up.

It seems likely that, after Rudakubana was charged with the murders police went through his phone, PC etc and his possessions and other items viz the Al Qaeda manual and Ricin came to light. It's not necessarily the case that these were found early in the investigation and both might have needed further examination. There would certainly need to be lab testing of the suspected ricin.

Only then would they be referred for a charging decision and, even if as is apparently the case, that required CPS to consult the Law Officers there is no reason to keep a running commentary. There may be good reason not to; risk to the upcoming murder trial.

Jenrick is stirring and, as a lawyer himself should know better.