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glasgowcyclist

glasgowcyclist

Über Member
A good sentence handed down for this rioter who stoked the fire at the hotel, and attacked police; 9 years in prison followed by a 5-year licence period.

I’ve lost count of the number of accused whose defence included the assertion that they did not intend to take part in any disorder and only came across it by chance.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c878p3l93rqo


Clearly he has no remorse for his actions, having told the police who arrested him that ‘throwing missiles and stoking the fire was for a "good cause" despite about 200 asylum seekers plus hotel staff being trapped in the besieged building.’
 
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ebikeerwidnes

Senior Member
Yup - "I came across a riot and decided it would be OK for me to burn a building down with people inside it" was never a good defence
 
Electric_Andy

Electric_Andy

Regular
winjim said:
I saw reports that he'd drunk ten pints, and a litre of rum. Now call me a lightweight, but I don't think that should be possible in a single daytime session.
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seems like an exageration, unless he started drinking at 9am and carried on into the evening. I once did 10 pints and 5 shots of vodka in 5 hours, and couldn't really stand properly
 
BoldonLad

BoldonLad

Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
Location
South Tyneside
winjim said:
I saw reports that he'd drunk ten pints, and a litre of rum. Now call me a lightweight, but I don't think that should be possible in a single daytime session.
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Could not do that personally, even in my younger days, but, I know a few who could and do drink such quantiles
 
multitool

multitool

Pharaoh
Who says he drank 10 pints and a litre of rum?

If it was him then his testimony is highly unreliable. If it was somebody else it is a little weird that they were keeping count.
 
glasgowcyclist

glasgowcyclist

Über Member
A cheerleader of the riots has been jailed for 7.5 years. 👏

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr56g4v28g7o

“Andrew McIntyre, 39, set up a Telegram channel called "Southport Wake Up" in the immediate aftermath of the knife attack at a children's dance class in the Merseyside town on 29 July.​
Liverpool Crown Court heard the case involved a "sinister aspect" of violence which took place in parts of the UK last summer.​
McIntyre, of Rufford, near Ormskirk, Lancashire, had admitted encouraging violent disorder and possession of a knife in an earlier hearing.​
The Telegram channel was identified by the group Hope Not Hate as a "catalyst for and origin of a series of posts" concerning incidents of violence, prosecutor Arthur Gibson said.​
The court heard McIntyre shared content from a site called Tommy Robinson/Britain First/For Britain about a protest in Southport on 30 July.​
He also posted a map after adding: "Mosque at the top of Hart St."​
In a later post he wrote: "Rise Up English Lads. 8pm tomorrow St Luke's Rd Southport."​
Hours before violence broke out in Southport on 30 July he posted a "clear threat to police", writing: "Message to All...Stand in our way, even if you're just doing your job...prepare to fall."​
The day after the disorder, McIntyre posted: "Well done last night lads, to all you heavy hitters.​
"Are you ready for Round 2???... Liverpool Mosque, West Derby Road, Friday 8pm.”​
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McIntyre was also originally charged with encouraging murder after posting a link to a YouTube video of Home Secretary Yvette Cooper with the caption: "We're going to hang this woman and her associates."​
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Mr Gibson said the decision was taken by the Crown Prosecution Service not to pursue the charge to trial because of "evidential issues" over whether McIntyre believed the act would be carried out.​
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The count was left to lie on the file.”​
 
dutchguylivingintheuk

dutchguylivingintheuk

Veteran
glasgowcyclist said:
The Telegram channel was identified by the group Hope Not Hate as a "catalyst for and origin of a series of posts" concerning incidents of violence, prosecutor Arthur Gibson said.​
The court heard McIntyre shared content from a site called Tommy Robinson/Britain First/For Britain about a protest in Southport on 30 July.​
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So the police didn't even confiscate/ask the provider for the logs themselves instead they rely on some kind of ''group'' what could possibly go wrong... i will refer back to this topic if the same methods are used for those you're more politically aligned with. (and no violence is not limited to these kind of loonies, there is no difference between this and the methods certain ''antifascists'' use)
 
icowden

icowden

Squire
glasgowcyclist said:
I’ve lost count of the number of accused whose defence included the assertion that they did not intend to take part in any disorder and only came across it by chance.
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There is a thing called Crowd Contagion Theory or behavioural contagion which is quite interesting. A thing I read but can no longer find suggests that it works along the lines of person A throws a brick at a shop/car/copper whatever. Person A's mates, people B see person A do this and because they are his mates and think similarly, they also join in. People C walk past and see what's happening. The more suggestive people from the C group start to join in. People D walk past and see smashed windows and people helping themselves to goods, and decide "I'll have some of that", and so become part of the rioting. The more people join in, the more they start to work together and do similar things, and as it spreads you get more and more people who would never normally have considered doing a thing, joining in. Obviously those fuelled by drugs and alcohol are more disinhibited and thus more likely to escalate what is happening.

So the "I only came across it by chance" is potentially a thing, but it doesn't follow that "I had to join in". Once that decision is made, you share the consequences with the other rioters.
 
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