Riot!

[AndyRM]

Interesting you bring colour of skin and other things into play

I have simply explained why I am not in a position to give an opinion on a question of a cover up.That is that I am lacking necessary information to make an informed answer

A question that as far as I can see only you have raised. It follows, I'd have thought, you would have some kind of opinion one way or the other, but apparently not.

 

[spen666]

I'll stick my neck out and say, on the facts we know, there is no cover up.

It seems likely that, after Rudakubana was charged with the murders police went through his phone, PC etc and his possessions and other items viz the Al Qaeda manual and Ricin came to light. It's not necessarily the case that these were found early in the investigation and both might have needed further examination. There would certainly need to be lab testing of the suspected ricin.

Only then would they be referred for a charging decision and, even if as is apparently the case, that required CPS to consult the Law Officers there is no reason to keep a running commentary. There may be good reason not to; risk to the upcoming murder trial.

Jenrick is stirring and, as a lawyer himself should know better.

I'm not aware of what Jenrick has said so cannot comment on that point. I try to pay little attention to him

Re the CPS Consulting with the law officers. They are not required to do so for these offences as they are statutorily independent, but I would expect in a high profile case such as this there is communication between the 2, even just to enable the law officers to respond when a charging decision is made public

 

[spen666]

A question that as far as I can see only you have raised. It follows, I'd have thought, you would have some kind of opinion one way or the other, but apparently not.

Do you walk round in a bubble . All over media and social media people are alleging cover up or conspiracy theoiries re these latest revelations.

its simply a lie to say I am the only one raising the question

 

[Bromptonaut]

I'm not aware of what Jenrick has said so cannot comment on that point. I try to pay little attention to him

Re the CPS Consulting with the law officers. They are not required to do so for these offences as they are statutorily independent, but I would expect in a high profile case such as this there is communication between the 2, even just to enable the law officers to respond when a charging decision is made public

One of the commentators on the radio suggested that the terror charge required the consent of the AG but whether that's right or not has no bearing on what Jenrick is alleging.

I try and ignore him too. I agree with Badenoch who has suggested he was of questionable integrate.

His commentary here bears out that assertion.

 

[monkers]

Do you walk round in a bubble .

Me, but only at the weekend because I worry incessantly about oxygen thieves with time on their hands.

 

[AndyRM]

Do you walk round in a bubble . All over media and social media people are alleging cover up or conspiracy theoiries re these latest revelations.

its simply a lie to say I am the only one raising the question

I'm not Glinda, so no.

I've only seen a cover up being mentioned on here, by you, the key words in my original post being "as far as I can see".

Predictably enough you're doing your usual fence sitting bullsh!t.

 

[spen666]

I'm not Glinda, so no.

I've only seen a cover up being mentioned on here, by you, the key words in my original post being "as far as I can see".

Predictably enough you're doing your usual fence sitting bullsh!t.

Unlike some, I am very happy sitting on the fence until I have sufficient information to reach a sensible conclusion.

Only idiots jump to decisions when they do not have sufficient information

I would rather wait until I have sufficient information to make a balanced decision


Now, what's that saying about an empty vessel?

 

[AndyRM]

Unlike some, I am very happy sitting on the fence until I have sufficient information to reach a sensible conclusion.

Only idiots jump to decisions when they do not have sufficient information

I would rather wait until I have sufficient information to make a balanced decision


Now, what's that saying about an empty vessel?

It must be lonely up in your ivory tower. I can't imagine watching us idiots grubbing around on this forum provides a distraction for more than a few minutes.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

I think a brown person did something bad. I also think they may have done some VERY bad things, but it's for the courts to say, not me.
This may be justification for rioting, I couldn't say.
Some will say it justifies burning hotels full of brown families, but I wouldn't go that far. Not without more information.

So - given a bit more information then you would go as far as burning down houses full of people?

sorry - brown people

 

[matticus]

So - given a bit more information then you would go as far as burning down houses full of people?

sorry - brown people

Would you say you find much of this forum ... confusing?

 

[mjr]

Do you walk round in a bubble . All over media and social media people are alleging cover up or conspiracy theoiries re these latest revelations.

its simply a lie to say I am the only one raising the question

Not on my social media they're not, but I don't follow many fascists or Q-anon-fans.

 

[spen666]

Not on my social media they're not, but I don't follow many fascists or Q-anon-fans.

So you are in a social media echo chamber and anyone who has a differing view is a fascist or a Q anon fan?


Interesting perception of the world

 

[Ian H]

So you are in a social media echo chamber and anyone who has a differing view is a fascist or a Q anon fan?


Interesting perception of the world

Nice twisting of words. You could almost be a lawyer.

 

[Bromptonaut]

I share the Guardian commentator's take:

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...p-playbook-uk-robert-jenrick-southport-attack

 

[Bromptonaut]

The Times is reporting that the ricin charge, which they say requires the consent of the Law Officers, could have been laid in mid October but was delayed because of possible unrest following the verdict in the Kaba murder trial. Not 100% clear but I think the concern was a guilty verdict leading to violence from the same suspects as followed the Southport murders together with a mass action by Police firearms officers refusing their weapons.