Riot!

[spen666]

No, seriously, is there any point punishing this man?

That doesn't mean letting him out scot-free because he is,and will remain, a live danger to others, but given that he seems utterly deranged what does punishment achieve? He seems an ideal candidate for a secure mental facility.

...

Interestingly the defence seemingly never tried to argue he was either
1. Unfit to stand trial at all
Or
2. Guilty only of Manslaughter on grounds of diminished responsibility

 

[AuroraSaab]

Isn't that likely then that the psychological evaluation found no evidence of mental illness? It's easy to say 'You couldn't do something like that without being mentally ill' but in fact sane people do terrible things all the time. They might have issues - depression, trauma, anger management, short temper - but these are all things that many other people have without becoming violent. They use violence because they choose to.

Pleading guilty meant most of this material - his interviews, the police reports, psychological reports - won't reach the public domain so we are unlikely to know his full motivation unless more background information comes to light.

 

[Ian H]

...the teenager’s parents asked officers for “assistance to help cope with him”.
After each callout, officers referred his case to local safeguarding officials who then assessed him as a vulnerable child and offered support for behaviour issues.
However, Rudakubana had become more socially isolated and stopped attending a local specialist school for children with autism and Asperger’s. The school, Presfield in Southport, called police in March 2023 to ask them to conduct a welfare check on the teenager as he had not attended since May 2022.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...hen-caught-with-knife-two-years-before-attack

 

[multitool]

Pleading guilty meant most of this material - his interviews, the police reports, psychological reports - won't reach the public domain so we are unlikely to know his full motivation unless more background information comes to light.

The government has announced a full independent public inquiry into Rudakubana, and the institutional failings that led to the murders. Everything known will come out.

This is, like Baby P, Daniel Pelka, Victoria Climbié etc, a watershed moment for state services.

 

[BoldonLad]

The government has announced a full independent public inquiry into Rudakubana, and the institutional failings that led to the murders. Everything known will come out.

No doubt, lessons will be learned, and a nice little earner for someone. 😊

 

[multitool]

No doubt, lessons will be learned, and a nice little earner for someone. 😊

That's a bit cynical.

 

[CXRAndy]

No doubt, lessons will be learned, and a nice little earner for someone. 😊

That's a bit cynical.

True though. This will be another talking shop. This country needs action not words

 

[winjim]

I suspect that if he happened to be white and there had been no farage riots it is likely that the case would have been dealt with as a mental health issue, rather than terrorism.

At sentencing the judge did say that it wasn't a terrorism offence and that he bore no responsibility for the subsequent disorder.

 

[BoldonLad]

That's a bit cynical.

Perhaps, but... doesn't stop it being true 🙂

Two minutes with Google finds another system failure, I am sure there are more https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79dq7e4nx3o

 

[multitool]

Perhaps, but... doesn't stop it being true 🙂

Two minutes with Google finds another system failure, I am sure there are more https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79dq7e4nx3o

How else do you expect institutional failures to be addressed?

 

[BoldonLad]

How else do you expect institutional failures to be addressed?

No idea, but, on past performance, Public Enquiries do not appear to deliver anything except a big pile of documents, and, a job for one or more cronies (of whichever party).

 

[multitool]

No idea, but, on past performance, Public Enquiries do not appear to deliver anything except a big pile of documents, and, a job for one or more cronies (of whichever party).

Noticed how there haven't been any rail disasters for over quarter of a century? Or ferry sinking for almost 40 years? etc etc, or that the truth has been discovered about Grenfell Tower, The Contaminated Blood and The Horizon Post Office scandals?

They are, or can be, highly effective. What is ineffective is the post-inquiry scrutiny of recommendations. That isn't to say that recommendations are not followed up, but that the system for scrutinising whether they are is inadequate.

 

[Xipe Totec]

True though. This will be another talking shop. This country needs action not words

Action! Yeah!

Burn more bins. That'll show 'em!

 

[CXRAndy]

Action! Yeah!

Burn more bins. That'll show 'em!

You seem to want to burn bins, not very environmentally friendly

 

[Mr Celine]

Interestingly the defence seemingly never tried to argue he was either
1. Unfit to stand trial at all
Or
2. Guilty only of Manslaughter on grounds of diminished responsibility

That's some catch, that catch-22.