Beebo
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Do we have to call the Scottish gang, a Christian rape gang?
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Do we have to call the Scottish gang, a Christian rape gang?
multitool
Pharaoh
Got it in one 😉
CXRAndy
Regular
You could do , Catholics clergy running a close second
Xipe Totec
Something nasty in the woodshed
^ Hey Aurora, your back up has arrived
Oh great. Binburners assemble!
AuroraSaab
Squire
Hardly a rant. You took the opportunity once again to compare apples with oranges and pretend that sexual abuse within a family is the same as a repetitive pattern of organised grooming and trafficking of children seen in a dozen towns over decades.
And you do this because right wingers like Tommy Robinson opportunistically took it up as a cause (along with many of the victims and other very un-right wing advocates). As such you prefer to flash your anti fascist credentials by minimising the scale and nature of these offences at the expense of the girls who suffered rather than consider that there are factors that merit inquiry.
And you do this because right wingers like Tommy Robinson opportunistically took it up as a cause (along with many of the victims and other very un-right wing advocates). As such you prefer to flash your anti fascist credentials by minimising the scale and nature of these offences at the expense of the girls who suffered rather than consider that there are factors that merit inquiry.
AuroraSaab
Squire
What point are you making, seeing as you are comparing two dissimilar types of sexual abuse?
It renders a century of the development of the science of criminology a waste of time if your point is that all sexual abuse is the same and there is nothing to be learned from analysis of patterns re victims, perpetrators, or circumstances.
It renders a century of the development of the science of criminology a waste of time if your point is that all sexual abuse is the same and there is nothing to be learned from analysis of patterns re victims, perpetrators, or circumstances.
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multitool
Pharaoh
Two huge rants and finally you admit you didn't understand the point being made.
Beebo did
AuroraSaab
Squire
I'd usually call it wilful ignorance to pretend there were no cultural factors at play in these offences (in both the patterns of perpetrators and of the victims) but it's not ignorance here, it's some weird idea that by denying the experience of scores of girls over decades you're somehow getting one over on right wing band wagoners like Tommy Robinson.
Ian H
Legendary Member
What cultural factors did the court mention?
multitool
Pharaoh
It's those noises in your head again.
AuroraSaab
Squire
It's not an individual judge's job to make wider comments on national patterns of abuse. They can only offer comment on cases that aren't in front of them. It would probably be grounds for appeal if he/she did.
The Jay report says cultural factors were contributory to the abuse. The victims say cultural factors were contributory.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...s-religious-extremism-terrorism-a8261831.html
The Casey report on Rotherham social services says the reluctance to acknowledge the demographic of the offenders was contributory to how these girls were failed.
It's ridiculous to ignore the common patterns and pretend that the common denominator is career choice to work in fast food or cab driving.
The Jay report says cultural factors were contributory to the abuse. The victims say cultural factors were contributory.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...s-religious-extremism-terrorism-a8261831.html
The Casey report on Rotherham social services says the reluctance to acknowledge the demographic of the offenders was contributory to how these girls were failed.
It's ridiculous to ignore the common patterns and pretend that the common denominator is career choice to work in fast food or cab driving.
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AuroraSaab
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The large numbers of defendants coming from the same cultural background - in fact a very specific sub section of that group - is of no relevance whatsoever? The victims telling us that their abusers explicitly said these things is irrelevant?
Where are the grooming gangs, in the same numbers, from other cultural groups? And I'm not talking about family abuse or individual abusers, I'm talking about street grooming, which is what these cases are.
When other groups use excuses eg Catholic priests saying 'No one will believe you because I'm a priest' we acknowledge that that was a culture generated within the Catholic Church that facilitated abuse and needed to be addressed.
When children are sexually abused within a cult we acknowledge that the culture played a role in facilitating it.
The gymnastics you're prepared to do to avoid being tainted with being even remotely prejudiced is causing you to abandon common sense. Never mind what the reports, whistle-blowers, and victims say, only CycleChatters know the real story and there's nothing to see here, move along.
Where are the grooming gangs, in the same numbers, from other cultural groups? And I'm not talking about family abuse or individual abusers, I'm talking about street grooming, which is what these cases are.
When other groups use excuses eg Catholic priests saying 'No one will believe you because I'm a priest' we acknowledge that that was a culture generated within the Catholic Church that facilitated abuse and needed to be addressed.
When children are sexually abused within a cult we acknowledge that the culture played a role in facilitating it.
The gymnastics you're prepared to do to avoid being tainted with being even remotely prejudiced is causing you to abandon common sense. Never mind what the reports, whistle-blowers, and victims say, only CycleChatters know the real story and there's nothing to see here, move along.