Socialise the essentials.

[Ian H]

No, but the point is that it doesn't claim to be. It is a paid for model, you need to get insurance.

In the US most health insurance comes with the job. And goes when the job goes. The insurance has exclusions, mostly for the long-term difficult (expensive) stuff. And if you're poor, in a poorly paid job, you probably don't get insurance, and you can't afford it. That's why Americans don't live as long as Cubans.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

Don't want all that, thanks .

Oh, well I hope nothing bad ever happens to you, or that Putin doesn't decide he would quite like to own the Lake District or the Argentines don't have another go at the Falklands then.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

In the US most health insurance comes with the job. And goes when the job goes. The insurance has exclusions, mostly for the long-term difficult (expensive) stuff. And if you're poor, in a poorly paid job, you probably don't get insurance, and you can't afford it. That's why Americans don't live as long as Cubans.

Jesus, more Leftsplaining.

I know how the system works, I know about the insurance model, I understand the work based healthcare benefit. What I don't understand is why you all keep on saying 'the system isn't working'. It is working perfectly, it is just a different system to the one you are all used to, and it leaves thousands of people without decent healthcare and bankrupts people. But the system is doing what it is supposed to do, supply high quality healthcare to people with the correct insurance and not to people who don't have the correct insurance.

The system they have works in regard to what it was designed to do. It is the wrong system for delivering any kind of meaningful universal health provision.

 

[Unkraut]

A guy said it..
So it must be true 🙄

Being a simple soul, I have never understood if you are against welfare benefits on principle coz it's scrounging you can be in favour of dividend and share option scroungers - at least if you want to be consistent.

 

[mudsticks]

Being a simple soul, I have never understood if you are against welfare benefits on principle coz it's scrounging you can be in favour of dividend and share option scroungers - at least if you want to be consistent.

Ah but it's 'scrounging' whilst wearing a 'proper' tie, and it's going to be spent on a nice second home, so it's ok, see??

 

[Ian H]

Keyboard warrior =ON

Jesus, more Leftsplaining.

 

[Fab Foodie]

Keyboard warrior =ON

Ignore function = ON is far more effective :-)

 

[theclaud]

Oh, well I hope nothing bad ever happens to you, or that Putin doesn't decide he would quite like to own the Lake District or the Argentines don't have another go at the Falklands then.

Good job bad things don't happen to people at the hands of armies and cops.

 

[BoldonLad]

In the US most health insurance comes with the job. And goes when the job goes. The insurance has exclusions, mostly for the long-term difficult (expensive) stuff. And if you're poor, in a poorly paid job, you probably don't get insurance, and you can't afford it. That's why Americans don't live as long as Cubans.

Do they (Americans) live longer than us?

It would appear, if we are to base “best” healthcare system on lifespan, we should be learning from a number of other countries, including, France and Spain, but, most of all, from Japan.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

Keyboard warrior =ON

Very good.

Now, simple question, is the system doing what it has been set up to do?

 

[Craig the cyclist]

Good job bad things don't happen to people at the hands of armies and cops.

Are you serious then? Do you really want to live in a society where there is no police, no army, no navy, no air force?

 

[Craig the cyclist]

Ignore function = ON is far more effective :-)

Absolutely, it means that the echo chamber of your views is even louder as you never have to hear any different views. It also means that when someone comes along and exposes your hypocrisy, you don't have to answer to it.

 

[The Crofted Crest]

Are you serious then? Do you really want to live in a society where there is no police, no army, no navy, no air force?

Sounds ideal. Who wouldn't?

 

[Craig the cyclist]

Sounds ideal. Who wouldn't?

If I pitch up and rob your house and kill your family, what happens then? You just buy new stuff, get a new family and we all move on?
If a foreign country invades us, do we just shrug and learn Russian?

 

[mudsticks]

Do they (Americans) live longer than us?

It would appear, if we are to base “best” healthcare system on lifespan, we should be learning from a number of other countries, including, France and Spain, but, most of all, from Japan.

It's quality of life though isn't it ??

Not just 'lifespan'

And of course that quality of life is also tied into things like access to safe spaces for exercise, fair access to nutritious foods, wellbeing in the workplace, good early years provision, free access to decent healthcare including screenings throughout a lifespan, education opportunities and so on.

All those things feed into good health, are therefore 'healthcare' in the broadest sense.

Get these right and the likelihood is that emergency style expensive intervention healthcare costs go down for society as a whole.
Whilst overall well-being goes up.

Win win.

That's what government s are supposed to be doing.

Prioritising the welfare of their citizens.

So socialising the 'essentials' seems like an obv move in that direction.